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Bruce Bjork
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Re: Delay
I’m liking my MXR Carbon Copy.Gregory Holland wrote:What's considered one of the best Delay on the market ?
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Strymon Timeline, Empress Echosystem, Eventide Timefactor.
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I will second the recommendation for the Empress EchoSystem. It is a really quality delay with many, many sound shaping options. It has a dual engine option (2 effects at a time, for instance delay and reverb) a looper, and most importantly to me, 32 user presets. I mean, once I dial in a USABLE sound effect, I want to have ready access to it without having to redial it and "find something close."
Yes. It takes a little time to learn how to use some of the more esoteric features, but one can get usable delays, reverbs, chorus and fat ambient sounds right out of the box.
It is the only pedal I have kept over the last 6 years. I keep going back to it and learning more and getting more out of it.
I can't comment, first hand, on the Strymon TimeLine or the Eventide Time Factor or H9 MAX... but I have looked very closely at them. From what I have learned, those are great as well.
Yes. It takes a little time to learn how to use some of the more esoteric features, but one can get usable delays, reverbs, chorus and fat ambient sounds right out of the box.
It is the only pedal I have kept over the last 6 years. I keep going back to it and learning more and getting more out of it.
I can't comment, first hand, on the Strymon TimeLine or the Eventide Time Factor or H9 MAX... but I have looked very closely at them. From what I have learned, those are great as well.
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I have no intention of removing my Echosystem either, Dan.
I have the Strymon, and it too has some deep dives available. The Echosystem was the first delay pedal to offer dual delays - parallel or series. It evolved from the Empress Superdelay, then to the Vintage Modified Superdelay (both of which I had, and only sold to fund the next iteration). I've also had a few Pigtronix Echolution editions, but I prefer the Echosystem. (I've not tried the Timefactor, but it's available in my Eventide H9 Max; I do like Eventide.) All are solid choices; they each have their own tweaks and parameters, but it's Empress with which I've stuck.
I have the Strymon, and it too has some deep dives available. The Echosystem was the first delay pedal to offer dual delays - parallel or series. It evolved from the Empress Superdelay, then to the Vintage Modified Superdelay (both of which I had, and only sold to fund the next iteration). I've also had a few Pigtronix Echolution editions, but I prefer the Echosystem. (I've not tried the Timefactor, but it's available in my Eventide H9 Max; I do like Eventide.) All are solid choices; they each have their own tweaks and parameters, but it's Empress with which I've stuck.
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Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
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Frenzel MB-50 head.
Effectrode, Empress, Eventide, Pigtronix.
1982 Kline U12 Pedal steel
2019 Sierra U12 Pedal Steel
2011 Bear Creek MK Weissenborn
Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
Frenzel MB-50 head.
Effectrode, Empress, Eventide, Pigtronix.
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Yea…anything by Strymon is great, if you don’t mind givin up your first born child.
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I agree with Jeff
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I don't own one, but I think this thing without a doubt:
https://echofix.com/products/echo-fix-ef-x2-tape-echo
https://echofix.com/products/echo-fix-ef-x2-tape-echo
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Tal Herbsman wrote:I don't own one, but I think this thing without a doubt:
https://echofix.com/products/echo-fix-ef-x2-tape-echo
WOW, I want one!
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Yes sir, do you ever feel like owning gear that your minuscule talent does not warrant, has no real place in your life, and is massively overspec'd for your needs?Brad Sarno wrote:Tal Herbsman wrote:I don't own one, but I think this thing without a doubt:
https://echofix.com/products/echo-fix-ef-x2-tape-echo
WOW, I want one!
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So, I've had that experience several times mostly when I purchase your equipment.
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Tal Herbsman wrote:Yes sir, do you ever feel like owning gear that your minuscule talent does not warrant, has no real place in your life, and is massively overspec'd for your needs?Brad Sarno wrote:Tal Herbsman wrote:I don't own one, but I think this thing without a doubt:
https://echofix.com/products/echo-fix-ef-x2-tape-echo
WOW, I want one!
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So, I've had that experience severely times mostly when I purchase your equipment.
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I've tried several. I like the Strymon DIG best. It has 2 delays, and one provides a fraction of the other. I tap the quarter-note tempo for the first delay and then set the 2nd delay to 1/2 or 2/3rds of it, depending on whether the song is in straight or shuffle time. It's easy to adjust the volumes of each independently.
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Re: Delay
For what purpose and at what price point ?Gregory Holland wrote:What's considered one of the best Delay on the market ?
Like many here, I have owned many, used many and still own a hi dollar unit, but on a live gig , this pedal @ $26 new ( Amazon) is quite good .
So if the price point is under $30 new, this one wins ! Sure its plastic so don't back up over it !
The only thing I can comment on is this , comparing the functions of the 3 knobs to other delays, they are not equal. IF you think its broken, its not, turn the knobs one at a time to understand what they do.
Operational wise its a very quiet unit, very consistent. I've been using one in my 3 pedal guitar rig for 2 years now, I bought it to use on one gig when my DE7 died , as a place holder , two years ago. Well, now if this one dies I'm getting another .
Its a simple, basic delay. One type of delay, no options, no tap options. For my purpose, I set the delay to an approx 300 ms , single slap repeat with maybe a 20 to 30 % mix.
At the end of the day thats how I set up my other Delay Ped which has all sorts of options that I never use, and it was 5x the price .
So what exactly are your needs ? In my many decades of playing I have only used delay settings from around 150 ms to around 325 ms. Even at that, when I used 150 ms ( rockabilly) I used 2 different delay pedals in the board. One at 150 and one at 300.

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David Nugent wrote:A second positive on Tony's post. I own MANY deluxe delay units (Strymon Brigadier, Boss DD-3, Carbon Copy, Hilton, etc.)but as a basic, affordable (apparently overpaid for mine, $29.00), performs its intended task unit, the Behringer 'VD 400' is difficult to top.
Dave I also paid $29, I just recently saw it on Amazon for $26 ! Apparently I paid too much as well !
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I wouldn't fight in defense of it being the best, but I like my TC Electronic Flashback 2 (or even the mini version). It has the TonePrint feature which lets you load up pre-made delay settings, or you can take a few existing ones and modify them yourself.
For me, I realized I like the 2290 sound (just a very neutral sounding delay), but there was WAY too much variability in the delay time (20 ms to 7 seconds). So I started with the 2290 setting, and set the delay time knob to only adjust in the say 40%-60% range (or whatever it ended up being). That not only made it faster to dial in the time I want since I'm already in the ballpark, but also gives me more fine control since going from 12:00 to 1:00 is a difference of more like 2% of total scale, rather than 10%.
And then I set the toggle switch to go between quarter note, dotted eighth, and triplet.
If you don't need the toggle switch, I think I'd just go with the mini, unless you want quick access to all its other sounds.
For me, I realized I like the 2290 sound (just a very neutral sounding delay), but there was WAY too much variability in the delay time (20 ms to 7 seconds). So I started with the 2290 setting, and set the delay time knob to only adjust in the say 40%-60% range (or whatever it ended up being). That not only made it faster to dial in the time I want since I'm already in the ballpark, but also gives me more fine control since going from 12:00 to 1:00 is a difference of more like 2% of total scale, rather than 10%.
And then I set the toggle switch to go between quarter note, dotted eighth, and triplet.
If you don't need the toggle switch, I think I'd just go with the mini, unless you want quick access to all its other sounds.
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Lots and lots of threads on delay pedals. This comes up every several times a year.
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I'll third the Behringer VD400. Its based on the classic maroon Boss DM3. Great for that analog "warm" sound. If you need delay for cheap get it.
For more complex things I bought a Mooer Ocean machine recently and it seems endless, two delays, one reverb and a looper in one pedal. If you set your pedals on the top of your amp its super easy to adjust at arms reach. You can edit the signal flow of the 4 effects in the pedal, presets etc.

For more complex things I bought a Mooer Ocean machine recently and it seems endless, two delays, one reverb and a looper in one pedal. If you set your pedals on the top of your amp its super easy to adjust at arms reach. You can edit the signal flow of the 4 effects in the pedal, presets etc.

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