How many Licensed to carry Steelers?

Rick Garrett · Post by **Rick Garrett** » 5 Feb 2005 4:24 pm

May God continue to bless the USA.

Yall can lock this one up if you want. I agree with Howard that its going to get ugly and that surely was not my intent.

Rick

John McGann · Post by **John McGann** » 5 Feb 2005 4:32 pm

The other thing that rocks about the USA is that we can disagree without blowing each other's heads off, that is, unless we feel like it. At least we are prepared, should we make the choice to own guns and use them. Everybody wins, right?

Dave Grafe- regarding your quote:

"Fact: Australia and England have recently banned virtually ALL types of firearms and the violent crime rates in both countries are now triple those in the USA and rising."

No offense intended, but did your "fact" come from American Handgunner (one of the souces that came up with it when I Googled "violent crime rate australia england)?...

I ask because we have 6 times more population in the USA than England- there'd be no one left to shoot over there if there was 3 times the amount of violent crime (we are at 22 per 1000, according to the US government- this would put Merry Olde at 66 per 1000. That would make almost 7% of English citizens violent offenders... Logic tells me I am smelling something ain't right in that "fact".)

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Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 5 Feb 2005 4:34 pm

Hey RICK, Hopefully it won't get out of hand,i think we in the good U S A are proud to be able to own our guns.its a real privalage. this is life some people think different.but steel players are #one in my book, and we have the right to protect our selves toooooooo. we don't shoot unless we have tooooooooo hahahaha farris

Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 5 Feb 2005 5:10 pm

I generally believe that there are "lies, damnable lies and statistics" but I was struck by something I read on the NRA web site:

"In the United States, firearms are used as often as 2.5 million times each year in self defense, in the vast majority of cases without a shot being fired. Best estimates reveal that firearms are used three to five times more often for defensive purposes than for criminal acts."

That means two things:

-- If you do feel the need to pull a gun in self defense, the odds are very, very low that you'll have to pull the trigger (elsewhere the NRA says that only 1 percent of the criminals are wounded, and .1 percent are killed);

and

-- The odds are strongly in your favor that the person you're protecting yourself against doesn't have a gun.

Still, I don't choose to carry, or even own a gun. (It looks like Howard is doing a good job of keeping gunmakers in business w/o my help!) Thats because of another set of statistics, these from the website of the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence:

"For every time a gun is used in a home in a legally-justifiable shooting [note that every self-defense is legally justifiable] there are 22 criminal, unintentional, and suicide-related shootings.

"The presence of a gun in the home triples the risk of homicide in the home.

"The presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide fivefold."

The way I read the data, my family and I are probably safer without any guns -- but that's my choice to make.
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Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 5 Feb 2005 5:29 pm

STEEL GUITARS ARE OUTLAWED,may be harming your friends!!! what about that??you choose to own a steel!! everyones privalage to own what ever they desire!!and those dam airboats nothing but trouble!!also autos on the road, someones likely to get ran over! wake up guys,its our privalage to own a gun!
farris

Paul King · Post by **Paul King** » 5 Feb 2005 5:31 pm

While I do not have a permit to carry a weapon, on my new job I do carry a man that has a 2nd degree black belt in the martial arts.

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 5 Feb 2005 5:41 pm

Do you conceal him, and out of curiosity, where do you put him, and what do you carry him by?

EJL

Rick Alexander · Post by **Rick Alexander** » 5 Feb 2005 5:46 pm

A battery powered stun gun is a lot less likely to put you behind bars if you have to use it.
Granted it's no good in a shootout, but all you need to do is get close enough to reach out and touch someone. And the recipient will make a full recovery, but not until you've had plenty of time to get out of Dodge. I've seen one used in a crowded bar and hardly anyone even noticed.

You can zap the badguy, and then pretend it's a cellphone and you're calling 911 to come and help the guy who "fainted". Just don't hit the button while you're holding it up to your ear . .

Darrell Owens · Post by **Darrell Owens** » 5 Feb 2005 5:54 pm

My two favorite topics - GUNS and GUITARS!
I've always enjoyed shooting as a sport and have carried a weapon for personal safety when necessary, BUT I would NEVER carry a gun to the stage. I MIGHT BE TEMPTED TO SHOOT THE DRUMMER! Or the SOUNDMAN - FOR SURE!

And I usually play in CHURCH!

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Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 5 Feb 2005 6:03 pm

Funny,black belts and stunt guns!!i take a good old sho-bud and ruger 357 hahahhahaha
they kindda go to gather, tough,won't let you down!!! farris

Savell · Post by **Savell** » 5 Feb 2005 6:50 pm

All these anti-USA responses make me appreciate the fact that we can still have guns. Never know when we're gonna need them just to keep the few last freedoms we still do have. Say what you want, that's another right you and I still have. There's enough of us that believe in the right to bare arms that taking them away from us won't be easy. I am fully convinced that one day those that don't like guns will try to force their believes on all. God bless the USA!!!

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 5 Feb 2005 7:40 pm

Your music rocks, but your gun culture sucks!

I...better don`t say anything...if I start now I`ll be kicked of the forum for insulting an individual who knows apsolutly nothing about human rights.

suck on this[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 05 February 2005 at 07:46 PM.]

Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 5 Feb 2005 8:32 pm

All these anti-USA responses....

....an individual who knows apsolutly nothing about human rights.

(okay, I promised to stay out of this, but...) This is absolutely incredible!! A few people here, some from the US, me from Norway, and Archie from Scotland, has the nerve to raise a few questions regarding your 'gun culture', and now we're being accused of being anti-USA and not knowing about human rights? You really are touchy, aren't you.....

Steinar (a brother, but not in arms)

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Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 5 Feb 2005 8:50 pm

I'm not from Norway, so maybe it will be better received if I ask what constitutes an "anti-USA response" ... what's up with that?

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 5 Feb 2005 8:51 pm

Well, if nothing else closes this wild thread, this might! Here's a ‘Side-Line Business’ that I’ve been in for 50-yrs.! click here Now I guess you know where I stand on the matter! ’nough said, Pardner!

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Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 5 Feb 2005 9:00 pm

John,- quite seriously I have absolutely no problems with your side-line business, in fact I thought it was beautiful work!
Over here we have a long and proud tradition of crafting knives and their 'holsters' that goes along with our traditional and historical costumes ("bunader"). But we're not allowed to carry those knives wherever we please, and I am glad for that.
That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the value of the history and the craft behind such things.

Steinar

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Stephen Dorocke · Post by **Stephen Dorocke** » 5 Feb 2005 9:08 pm

For Damir---Under the photo of the gun that you love, you write-"suck on this"--what's this about?

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 5 Feb 2005 9:18 pm

John, that's some beautiful work! Are you taking orders?

Wayne Franco · Post by **Wayne Franco** » 5 Feb 2005 9:31 pm

It's too bad we just can't carry some of those rocked prepelled grenades launchers. I'd love to be on stage when someone got pissed off and went for it. What a show, or better yet just take half the crowd out from the bandstand. Why worry about a paultry little pistol that only makes little holes. I see it all the time on the news and I thank who ever is in charge we don't have to deal with that.

I couldn't get into playing if I had to worry about pullin a gun. In fact without this post I'm not even sure I would have thought about it!

I thought I could take this so I have read to here. I'm not proud of some of the responses here. [This message was edited by W Franco on 05 February 2005 at 09:37 PM.]

HowardR · Post by **HowardR** » 5 Feb 2005 10:19 pm

what's this about?

Pistol envy?

<pre>either that, or it's Damir's way of explaining the "Big Bang" theory</pre>[This message was edited by HowardR on 06 February 2005 at 05:42 AM.]

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 6 Feb 2005 12:11 am

Anybody that's trained in the proper use of firearms isn't going to pull out a gun just because of an argument. It's only justifiable to use it when your life is in danger period. As for the stun guns, my wife stunned a real character in the bar we owned once and he pulled out a knife. The man a was a bonafide lunatic. She was nice about and only shot him in the leg. The cops came and took the guy away and never arrested my wife. Guns don't kill people. People kill people and with a lot more than just guns. Her own son was killed was by a stabbing in his own home. If he'd had a gun I doubt it would've turned out that way.

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 6 Feb 2005 12:21 am

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Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 6 Feb 2005 12:56 am

for Stephen,
that is a message for someone who thinks that our rights and the constitution of our country sucks.As a man ,I`d rather walk around with a gun than in a dress.I have no problem with anti gun people,it is their right to hate guns, but I have a problem when they tell me in the face that something I appreciate and care for sucks.That is rude and disrespectful if you ask me.You don`t just show up in somebodys house and tell them the way they live and things they charrish suck.
Db
btw

John,that is some beautiful work.I didn`t have idea you can do that.Way cool.

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CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 6 Feb 2005 2:09 am

Notice how every time the sheriff & deputy are gone from town,
a bunch of steel pickin', totters come on in & get the town all riled up

wait till sheriff Lee gets back, he got the twister

or maybe you gonna get one cold
& someone's gonna have to bury ya'

"If I was packin', I wouldn't be yakkin'."

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Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 6 Feb 2005 2:50 am

I don't often wear dresses myself, and as I"m sure Howard R can attest, there's not any real good places to carry a .44 in a light summer strappless.

EJL