Did Sho~Bud make a D-12?

Mark Fasbender · Post by **Mark Fasbender** » 22 Dec 2005 9:55 pm

WELL?

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Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 22 Dec 2005 10:02 pm

Yes, I have a catalog which shows it.
Model 6165.

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Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 22 Dec 2005 10:16 pm

I have had many of them in stock over the years. All were wood necks.'74-'88. Good guitars, in most ways.
Bobbe

Mark Fasbender · Post by **Mark Fasbender** » 22 Dec 2005 10:22 pm

Dont recall ever seeing one for sale so I wasnt sure. I might have to look into that.
Bobbe........ Could you post a pic of one with gumbys if you have it ? thanks.

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Duane Reese · Post by **Duane Reese** » 22 Dec 2005 10:34 pm

I could've sworn that I once saw a picture of Jeff Newman playing a fingertip D-12 - am I confabulating?

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 22 Dec 2005 10:35 pm

The first time I met my little brother Robbie Turner

, it was 1976, he was 14 years old and playing a D-12 Pro II at Bad Bob's in Mehumfuss.

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Mark Fasbender · Post by **Mark Fasbender** » 22 Dec 2005 10:39 pm

Maybe I'll have one of my wives get me one for my birthday.

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Jim Palenscar · Post by **Jim Palenscar** » 22 Dec 2005 10:39 pm

Rick Schmidt's is in the shop as we speak

Mark Fasbender · Post by **Mark Fasbender** » 22 Dec 2005 10:41 pm

One of his wives?

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[This message was edited by Mark Fasbender on 22 December 2005 at 10:43 PM.]

Duane Reese · Post by **Duane Reese** » 22 Dec 2005 10:44 pm

Yall ever been to Utah?

Well, we ain't got no D-12 Sho-Buds out here!

Mark Fasbender · Post by **Mark Fasbender** » 22 Dec 2005 10:47 pm

I would love to see an example if anyone could find a pic to post, or email me a pic and I will post it. Gotta go, the wives are calling me.

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John LeMaster · Post by **John LeMaster** » 23 Dec 2005 5:41 am

My friend and fellow forumite Carl Dvorcek here in Jacksonville has a D-12 that he plays regularly. I have played the guitar, it has the great classic Sho-Bud tone.

John L.

Mark Fasbender · Post by **Mark Fasbender** » 23 Dec 2005 7:13 am

I just bought an S-12 Sho~Bud and was curious. I like Double necks so I'll see how extended E9 goes for me. My friend has a D-12 and I think its just a matter of getting used to the extra strings. Should have it today from UPS(shudder) if all goes well. What models did they make them in? (for example Professional D-12 .....Pro 2 D-12 etc ) Thanks.

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Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 23 Dec 2005 12:42 pm

Every D12 that I've seen has been a ProII. To my knowledge, Sho-Bud never offered a D12 ProIII, or Prof. But anything's possible...they were always making custom stuff.

A friend of mine has a Sho-Bud SD12 with a metal neck, and it's the only 12 string Bud I've ever seen with a metal neck.

Rainer Hackstaette · Post by **Rainer Hackstaette** » 23 Dec 2005 1:41 pm

From the 1975 Sho~Bud (Gretsch) catalogue: Note that the B/W photos show the endplate and undercarriage of a D-10, not a D-12, with 2R/1L changer and 2-hole pullers.

Jerry Van Hoose · Post by **Jerry Van Hoose** » 23 Dec 2005 4:24 pm

Duane, you may have very well seen a picture of Jeff Newman playing a Sho Bud D12. The first time that I ever met Jeff, sometime around 1967 or 68, he was playing a Sho Bud Fingertip D12.

Kenny Foy · Post by **Kenny Foy** » 23 Dec 2005 4:33 pm

Got a THE PRO-11 CUSTOM dbl 12. Natural finish. Heaaaavy. Weights as much as a pick-up truck bed.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 23 Dec 2005 6:00 pm

Those pictures also show a row of screws to adjust the lower return springs. That is not on my D-12. the only way to adjust those springs is to use a different spring.

James Lombard · Post by **James Lombard** » 23 Dec 2005 10:58 pm

A friend of mine had a rosewood D-12 fingertip that I had the pleasure of playing many times. He regretfully passed on some years ago. Hadn't seen him in a while, don't know what became of it. A very nice looking and to my recollection, fine sounding guitar as well

Emmons PP D-10 10x10, Evans Hybrid 300,FET 500

Rainer Hackstaette · Post by **Rainer Hackstaette** » 24 Dec 2005 5:35 am

Earnest,
re: the adjustable return springs: in the 1975 catalogue/leaflet, all the steels where the endplates can be seen, show adjustable springs. The tuning windows seem to have the same size as on the older models with 1R/1L changers. The 2R/1L changer can use the same window. The 2R/2L changer may need a bigger window, I don't know. The description of the steels isn't really clear: sometimes a "double raise & double lower" changer is mentioned, sometimes it says "double raise & lower". Anyway, the adjustable return springs were soon exchanged for non-adjustable ones, probably right after these photos were taken. It saved assembly time and work on the endplates. My '75 LDG has non-adjustable springs.

Note that all the steels still have the wide pedals, even the Maverick - soon to be replaced by the narrow slick pedals. It's interesting that The Pro~III, The Pro~II and The Pro~I have the CUSTOM label, while the 12 string models and The Professional S-10 do not.

All pickups don't have the later support spacers yet, but they are not coil-tapped any more. All in all the catalogue raises more questions than it answers. Sho~Bud quality control at its best!

Sorry for highjacking this thread, and Merry Christmas to all,
Rainer

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Duane Reese · Post by **Duane Reese** » 24 Dec 2005 8:36 am

I think it's not too awfully hard to go from D-10 to D-12 as long as you don't get too rigid in you thinking. I have an Emmons D-12 p/p that wasn't too hard to get a handle on really (sure made D-10s look puny). On the extended E9th you had two lower pitched strings below the 10th string B, which were G# and E (the E being like the 6th on regular guitar). But you know what, I set the 11th string to A instead of G# because I could do more with it. Weird?

Hey Mark, did that S-12 show up, and if so how do you like it???

Kenny Foy · Post by **Kenny Foy** » 24 Dec 2005 10:43 am

Rainer, Not that it makes any difference but my dbl 12 THE PRO-11 has the Custom decal. Wonder why? I like the brochure. [This message was edited by Kenny Foy on 24 December 2005 at 10:45 AM.][This message was edited by Kenny Foy on 24 December 2005 at 10:46 AM.]

Rainer Hackstaette · Post by **Rainer Hackstaette** » 24 Dec 2005 6:39 pm

Sometimes I'm just as dumb as a brick! Even though Jeff Newman's name was mentioned twice in this thread, I didn't make the connection to his Sho~Bud course from 1969. He's playing a D-12 Fingertip on the cover:

Duane Reese · Post by **Duane Reese** » 25 Dec 2005 6:57 am

Yup, that's the one. Good - I'm still sane!

Mark Fasbender · Post by **Mark Fasbender** » 25 Dec 2005 5:40 pm

Thanks for all the info......... Duane,yes the S-12 arrived and its a great little guitar.
Looks like I made a deal to buy that sho bud P/P as well. Im glad to hear you are sane although that is news to me.

When you get back your Pro 2 should be here and we'll get her set up. Thanks all and happy new year.

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