Boycott Eifert Records!!??

[Ron !]

Stephen.....

I checked your profile, and I like your daughter's singing. Is that her REAL voice? I don't ask that question as an insult, just asking you to verify if the tracks have been, as you say, "gone over by so many computers."

Yes.......that is my "Wife" singing.I might sound old but fortunately...I am not.The answer to your question if I use computers to spike up the sound.Yes I do use several programs that I have at my fingertips.Programs like CoolEdit, Adobe Audition, ProTools etc etc.
Some of Karen's sound clips(posted on myspace and on the forum)are recorded in Nashville with musicians like,Lloyd Green, Hargus "PIG" Robbins, Buddy Spicher etc.

We do our own studio sessions(all 1000+ so far)here at home with real instruments.However I do use computers to take out the noise and add reverb and/or different sound effects.
Her voice and voiceover however are done on a 6track Vestax-MR66(tape).It gives the warm sound we all like.Most studio's go back to tape's every once in a while.

But this was not why I asked you these questions Stephen.What I really meant to say was that Nowadays every song is been altered by computerized equipment.You will NOT find any songs anymore that have not been touched by computers.

Complain because a singer is "pitchy?" And how many of you know of instances where an instrument has been replaced by a synth patch?

This is exactly what I meant......Performers these days have to meet a high standard.A standard that cannot be met without computers(and that is a true shame..I agree)and I know that you don't like the fact that people use them Stephen....but you can't run away from the facts.

That's the reason that I don't understand the attack on Leo.

Ron

P.S
$20.000 to cut a cd with top musicians is pretty cheap.

[Johnne Lee Ables]

Chet ATKINGS? OWN Bradley?

But, I have been in a recording studio or three...

And those conversant with the two fine gentlemen whose names I mistyped know that they were both far more notorious than Mr. Eiffert will ever be for creating "fake", "pretend" music without "...REAL, LIVING, BREATHING MUSICIANS..."

(Unless you consider adding synthesized strings and keyboards without the artists knowledge, let alone permission, a month after the track was recorded not to be "fake" or "pretend" music. Or, unless you consider using the board to 'punch out' flat and sharp vocal notes, and session guitarists clams not to be "fake" or "pretend" music.)

I could go on as most everyone here knows.

There were, and are, hit country records produced with not one single musician in the studio at the same time as any other musicians. Most "recordings" are more about the engineer and the producer than they are about the musicians supposedly cutting the record.

That is one of the reasons I love country music, bluegrass, swing, etc. Most of my favorite musicians can actually sing and play in person. Live performance is what music is about. ALL recordings are "fake" and "pretend" to some degree.

None of this has anything to do with making music, however. There is music, great music, that is created entirely with a computer keyboard. It is none-the-less music! It may not be to your tastes, but it is great music to the multitudes who enjoy it.

(Thank you for pointing out my typographical errors. That is very germane to the topic at hand and certainly contributes to the edification of those involved in this discussion.)

BTW, on my computer screen the man spells his name E-I-F-F-E-R-T...

"...BOYCOTT Eifert Records..."

No personal offense meant, Pardner!

YMMV,

Johnne Lee

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[Joe Casey]

Dougie ,Thats funny but I don't think Smiley was that versitle..I know for sure though, he was always Country...Yes Steve very real musicians come from the Left Coast...Even heard there one lives in South Mills NC...Not much room there tho for more than one.. :lol:Smiley misses Opryland but this rides only a quarter..

[Johnne Lee Ables]

Johnny Lee...

...some of your questions sound like those of a beginner....

I know of TWO excellent steel players who were replaced this way.

It is Johnne, not "Johnny"

Thank you for noticing the nature of my questions, Stephen, I'll take that as a compliment as I much prefer to think as a child. And I hope I never stop asking the simple questions.

So far this year, I know of 45 thousand honest, hardworking Americans who were replaced when their careers were eliminated in the American sector. Unfortunately, that is what is called Capitalism in the USA. And, your point would be?

No personal offense meant, Pardner!

YMMV,

Johnne Lee

[Stephen Gambrell]

Stephen..... Yes.......that is my "Wife" singing.I might sound old but fortunately...I am not.The answer to your question if I use computers to spike up the sound.Yes I do
We do our own studio sessions(all 1000+ so far)here at home with real instruments.

First of all, I apologize a bout the age thing. Your wife looks younger than you, and that's ALWAYS a good thing.
Now, using reverb or noise reduction, is NOT the same as using a bunch of synths to replace the 1000+
sessions you've done using real instruments, now is it? Using THAT logic, ALL recorded music---INDEED, all amplified music---is not real. I hope that's not what you mean!
Johnny Lee, you contradict yourself. You say that most of your favorite musicians are the ones who can play and sing live, and then extoll the keyboard-driven stuff that's out there.
And by the way, I done a LOT of bluegrass recordings. We went in the studio well-rehearsed, cut live, no overdubs, and went home. Really a shame that we don't see that nowadays.

[Stephen Gambrell]

And now, if we can get away from me for a moment, since this thread about REAL country music, played on REAL instruments, let's look at this quote from LJ:
"JOE DIFFIE,Mark Wills,Mark Chesnutt,PATTY LOVELESS,PAM TILLIS & LORRIE MORGAN.These Artist should be on Radio & Touring soon again with Steel Guitarist too! Sincerely in Country Music,Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Thunder Country/ Pigeons"

It took a correction from Alvin Blaine, who's cut more tracks and played more sessions than most of us, to get the record straight!

[HowardR]

And now, if we can get away from me for a moment, since this thread about REAL country music,

Subject: Boycott Eifert Records!!??

Doesn't sound like a thread on REAL country music to me..........but an economic sanction......

[Ron !]

First of all, I apologize a bout the age thing. Your wife looks younger than you, and that's ALWAYS a good thing.

No apology necessary Stephen.No harm has been done here.In fact she really does.
But like you said let's get back to the original post here.

And now, if we can get away from me for a moment, since this thread about REAL country music, played on REAL instruments, let's look at this quote from LJ:
"JOE DIFFIE,Mark Wills,Mark Chesnutt,PATTY LOVELESS,PAM TILLIS & LORRIE MORGAN.These Artist should be on Radio & Touring soon again with Steel Guitarist too! Sincerely in Country Music,Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Thunder Country/ Pigeons"

That is not what you are doing.

Boycott Eifert Records!!??

That is the thread of this post and all I asked you was....Why?...what has this man done wrong?
I don't see anything wrong.....does he tell anyone that he is using real instruments and doesn't do that?
What is wrong?I just don't get it Stephen.It starts to look like a witch hunt to me.

Ron

[Johnne Lee Ables]

since this thread about REAL country music, played on REAL instruments

It took a correction from Alvin Blaine, who's cut more tracks and played more sessions than most of us, to get the record straight!

REAL country music, played on REAL instruments is done so live and in performance, NOT in a recording studio. There are no outtakes and no punch outs.

Recording is artificial. It is not REAL. It is a highly doctored "snap shot" created by the producer and the engineer to freeze the artist at a single point in time. A point that is in the closest congruence with what the record buying public wants. It has little, if anything, to do with music.

Every REAL musician I ever met did not like, and some times HATED, recording and recordings.

[Bill Dobkins]

I don't understand any of this.
And PAPA JOE where did you get that photo of my sister.

[Stephen Gambrell]

Subject: Boycott Eifert Records!!??

First of all, Howard, notice the punctuation. Question marks, right? And did you read the post? It's not so much about LJ, as it is about the canned music that he, and othersuse, instead of real musicians. I used his label as an example, since he posts so much on here.
Johnne Lee, I guess you're right. REAL musicians, like Lloyd Green, Paul Franklin, Brent Mason, Sonny Garrish, and on and on, would MUCH rather be riding in a cramped tour bus, living on a per diem, than doing sessions, making good money, and sleeping at home.
Ron, LJ , in my opinion, is being very hypocritical. In post after post, he talks a good game about steel guitars. But where are they, on his records?
But again, and I'm getting REAL tired of repeating myself, LJ is only one of many "label owners" who HURT their artists with those fake instruments. And as far as a witch hunt goes, it seems that there IS one going on. You, Johnne Lee Ables, Steinar, and Ken Lang, appear to have a rope, and are headed to my house.
And John, get that dog a CAPO!!!

[Johnne Lee Ables]

Check your PM, plese.

JL

[John P. Phillips]

Hmmmmmm, Talk about topic drift ?

[Stephen Gambrell]

SOMEBODY CLOSE THIS THREAD, PLEASE. i AM AFRAID OF JOHNNE LEE ABLES.

[Papa Joe Pollick]

[Stephen Gambrell]

Moderator, PLEASE close this post! The sooner the better.

[Richard Sevigny]

You, Johnne Lee Ables, Steinar, and Ken Lang, appear to have a rope, and are headed to my house.

With all due respect, it seems the rope was wielded by the individual who started this thread.

[Steve Norman]

Need a live steeler? hire me! I'll sit in the can if you want canned music,,Make some neat tuba sounds in there from time to time.

[Stephen Gambrell]

OH, WHEN will enough be enough???

[Ellis Miller]

Since I don't know any of the parties involved, I have no comment on the personal nature of this thread. I will, however, comment on the subject of synthesized or "canned" music.

If the objective is to protest electronically produced sounds, sequencing, MIDI, or whatever, that ship sailed about 1975. Deal with it, get over it and move on.

[John P. Phillips]

Best comment yet. Good night fellers !

[Stephen Gambrell]

Would somebody PLEASE close this thread? Pretty please? I'm tired of getting my feelings hurt. I think I'm going to cry.

"See the Big Man Cry, Mama..."
Remember that one?

[Jim Cohen]

Stephen, I've found that, if one wants a thread closed, the quickest way is to send b0b a direct email, tell him exactly which thread it is, and ask him to close it. Actually, I guess since this is in the 'Music' section, you should send your request to Janice Brooks, since she's the Moderator (though I'm not sure how actively she reads the posts, so maybe copy b0b on your request too?)

[Stephen Gambrell]

Good idea, Jim---you think he's in St. Louis?

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