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Boycott Eifert Records!!??

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L.J. Eifert has mentioned a lot of not-so-well-known names, as well as a few famous artists. He has claimed to be an ardent supporter of REAL country music, and genuine country musicians---ESPECIALLY steel guitars. BUT---Listening to samples of some of the artists on Eifert's own label, EIFERT RECORDS, one hears only synthesized music and drum machines! In other words, he is doing NOTHING to benefit REAL musicians! The Grand Ole Opry was founded on REAL music, played by REAL musicians. Eifert may pay lip service to country music, but how can he be interested in REAL country music, if he doesn't even use REAL COUNTRY MUSICIANS?????
Most of us here are musicians. Most play steel guitar, and a lot are multi-instrumentalists. But we are REAL, LIVING, BREATHING MUSICIANS!!! How can we keep country music alive, when label owners won't use anything but cheap-sounding keyboard synths on their records??
We have a say in this matter, and a choice to make. If you want to listen to "fake," or "pretend" music, then continue to support Eifert Records. But if you are a working musician, or a fan of old-time, REAL country music, then BOYCOTT Eifert Records, and others who would take jobs away from REAL pickers!!!
NOW IS THE TIME, FELLOW PICKERS!!! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!! :whoa: :whoa: :whoa: :whoa: :whoa:
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Stephen Gambrell,Is BOYCOTT something you sleep on? I'm so sorry you feel so bad and mad at me because you can't fill my shoes. I'll(Leo) be glad to help you BOYCOTT Eiffert Records. Did you buy any?, or is it because what them LOUISIANA boys are doing? This is the side of what I just got done telling others on this forum that we have Trouble makers and you are a perfect explanation. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. PS: With full respect you need to take a better look at who I am (Stephen Grambrell) SON!, YOU ARE VERY NOTABLE.... BOYCOTT EIFFERT RECORDS
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LJ, is it true that you use synthesized music and drum machines?
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LJ, don't call me SON. The man who called me "SON" passed away in 1971.
But never mind me---Answer Kevin Hatton's question.
TRUTHFULLY!

And LJ, I can't find anything about who, or what you are. I have my opinion, but I'll keep that to myself. As far as filling your shoes---Ain't they ALREADY full????? :roll:
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I don't see any need to be so harsh on Leo. He admits to being a Professional amateur. He's not a star, but does his best to promote music, country music and the business of music. Nothing wrong with that.

As far as digital music, if you don't like it, I guess you'd have to throw away any records and CD's you have from at least the 80's and beyond. You may be a purist Stephen and that's OK, but I've made music from the late 50's and gone from the little tape recorder to things like cakewalk that allow a home studio and Pro studios to do amazing things. I really don't think it's profitable to push your myopic view on others.

There is no question real instruments sound better than digital ones. Everybody knows that. Still, if one can't afford a $20,000 dollar budget for a studio and real musicians, I think it's OK to fudge a little.
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I have a feeling all but a very select few are already boycotting those records without even knowing it; that's free enterprise at work!
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Ken Lang wrote:
As far as digital music, if you don't like it, I guess you'd have to throw away any records and CD's you have from at least the 80's and beyond. You may be a purist Stephen and that's OK, but I've made music from the late 50's and gone from the little tape recorder to things like cakewalk that allow a home studio and Pro studios to do amazing things. I really don't think it's profitable to push your myopic view on others.

I think it's OK to fudge a little.
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First of all, Ken, I don't like "fake" anything. And yes, I have a keyboard here at home, that I use for piano and organ tones. But I don't see why you paint all recordings from the 80's to the present, with the same brush. I listen to jazz---Recording techniques may have changed, but the instruments are still the same---and REAL! Same for bluegrass, and a lot of the big-timers, too. Martina's "Timeless" CD, for instance. Dale Watson. The late Tom Morrell.
As far as LJ, how do you define "Professional amateur?" And you refer to "music, country music, and the business of music," as three entities. In fact, that sounds like something Leo might say. And, I must add, just a little myopic, as is your statement that it costs 20,000 bucks for real musicians. And, in one final myopic glance, I DON'T think it's OK to fudge a little. Especially when your claim is to represent the REAL thing.
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Pete Finney wrote:I have a feeling all but a very select few are already boycotting those records without even knowing it; that's free enterprise at work!
You got it, Pete! :D :D :D
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LJ has Found a Soapbox on the SGF

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LJ has Found a Soapbox on the SGF and as long as anybody responds to him, he will be around. I have problems understanding what he is writing about at times.

Usually I just see his name on a post and ignore it. Thats the best advice, ignore him and maybe he will eventually go away.
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Overbearing with outrageous to understand what I say. How can I answer any of you when you all already know how great of musicians you are. Thanks Ken for the kind words,but,you have to look at where these guys are coming from. They are the pros and it obvious that my soapbox keeps them answering to what I say to others. what they found on Cleat Wooley's web site is not me but the real drums and Guitars that I've played. I am the real deal for Country Music and I don't have to lower myself to these childhood ways. If you read what you say you do about what I write,I told you I delegate my own mistake in words. You know, misspelled means good marketing that keeps people to remember how smart they are. Like I said before,some people are trouble markers and I must have found some on my soapbox. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr.
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If you want to know anything about LJ don't hesitate in asking him. He'll tell you. His son and nephews have a pretty good band going here on the left coast, TOOOOO loud but good choice of music.
email me and I'll put you in touch with Leo's ex-family >:-) they'll give you more info than you wanted.
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LJ, there's only one post on here about anybody bragging about what good musicians they are, and it's YOURS. I didn't start this thread as a rant against you personally---Rather, a call for a possible boycott against "record labels" that use canned music. And that's exactly what your pal Cleat Wooley has done. It's pretty obvious that you've got a good little profit-maker going, and why not? It's a totally no-cost, albeit low-quality (IMO) operation.
In the "old days," small record labels were a staple, and a great starting point for some stars-in-waiting. Mark V, here in South Carolina, was home to such great musicians as Tommy Dodd, Bobby Boggs, Pee Wee Melton, and a whole bunch more. And they're musicians who don't need to back down from anybody. So, with today's cheaper recording techniques, which I'm sure you know ALL about :roll: , there should be more money in the kitty to pay the band, RIGHT???
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But isn't LJ a spokesman for pushing the old West Coast sound?. :? .Not to worry it will be hard to push it over the Rockies :D By the way who are the Artist on Effert records?.. :) :?
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Dunno

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Nobody I ever Heard of or probably will. I need to get my Dawg A record Contract :D
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Heres a Small label that pushed
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Post by Steinar Gregertsen »

I usually don't understand much of Leo's posts either, and the stuff I heard in another post didn't exactly leave me breathless.

But - in all fairness - a google search sent me to this MySpace profile where Leo is heavily involved:
http://www.myspace.com/sandenestudios

Some of it is "canned", most of it is live musicians, lots of steel guitar, sounds like C&W to me but I'm no expert - and I really don't care, just got curious after reading through all this so consider this post "public information"... :\
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Post by Ken Lang »

Guess I got a little carried away. Sorry about that. What I really mean to say is this.

We are a small band of folks that like and care about psg and music. Most of us are not prime movers but rather just folks trying to get along in this world. It just doesn't make sense to beat each other about the head and shoulders for something a given person doesn't like. We all have our opinions. We need to better direct them at the subject, rather than the person.
I am guilty as well. I will do better in the future, as we all should.
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Hey Joe, Smiley played with The Versatiles? :eek:

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LJ EIFFERT, i THink that maYbe you SHoulD USE reaL Musicians becAuse THEN It wouLd be gooD. I tHinK The QUEAN Of ENgland woulD dO the Same MayBe. All So, The singer On Myspace Maybe CoulD siNg On Key. Yours TrulY, K.r. haTTon.
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Ken Lang wrote:
As far as digital music, if you don't like it, I guess you'd have to throw away any records and CD's you have from at least the 80's and beyond.

I really don't think it's profitable to push your myopic view on others.

There is no question real instruments sound better than digital ones. Everybody knows that. Still, if one can't afford a $20,000 dollar budget for a studio and real musicians, I think it's OK to fudge a little.
Ken
Well put, Mr. Lang!!!

I'm relatively new here - I joined around '99 or Y2K, but didn't post much - and I do not pretend to understand the personal/political history of this thread. However, I'm not new to music or PSG. In the recent past, I've listened to a TON of music on the Web and the VAST majority of amateur recordings use "...fake..." instrumentation.

I have a number of really good backing tracks that were produced with professional musicians, but did I, or the many other users - have anything to do with producing them? For the most part, the answer is a resounding "No."

We just use the backing tracks to practice, to create mp3s and videos that we post somewhere and sometimes to produce CDs/DVDs. Those mp3s and videos and CDs/DVDs are just as "fake" as anything anyone else produces. I don't find what Mr. Eiffert does any more notorious than what many others do. Including Chet Atkings (May he Rest in Glorious Peace, I still admire him immensely) and Own Bradley (RIP), when they produced literally thousands of recordings.

As far as Mr. Eiffert's threads go...

I can ignore them if I see fit.

No personal offense intended.

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Strolling through the forum made me stumble onto this post by Mr Gambrell.
Weird if you'd ask me.....and maybe I am missing the real point here.
Stephen
What is the problem with mister Eiffert's efforts in pushing and plugging Country music the way that he is doing it right now?Maybe....just maybe....will Leo discover a young talent that due to his efforts will make it big.Will you still think the same way?
I wonder something Stephen;.....have you ever seen the inside of today's recording studio's?There are more canned instruments then you and I both can swing a stick at.
Every recorded track in the big studio's is gone over by so many Computers and sound equipment(digitally)that both you and me will loose track.
I don't see any problems whatsoever with Mr.Eifferts efforts(did that came out right?).
LJ, is it true that you use synthesized music and drum machines?
Please people....raise your finger if you are not using BIAB at home.I can name 10 pickers of the top of my head that made cd's using this.I think we are all guilty of this.

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Chet ATKINGS? OWN Bradley?
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Papa Joe, I don't think those are REAL instruments, either :eek: :eek: , but, MAN, I bet they sound good!
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OK, back to reality. In my original post, I mentioned Eiffert Records, "AND OTHERS WHO WOULD TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM REAL MUSICIANS."
So I'm not particularly ranting about LJ Eiffert. I don't have to. Kevin Hatton asked the simplest of questions-"Is it true that you use synthesized music and drum machines?" LJ hasn't answered that one, although he did try to insult me personally---I've got no problem with that.
Ken, I've already replied to your post, but I WILL add--I've been playing, and recording music for a long time, too.
John Floyd's got a good idea---ignore it, maybe it'll go away. But how many indecipherable posts have we seen, courtesy of one LJ Eiffert?
I don't quite know what to make of Thom Beeman's post, since he has, or had, some personal involvement with LJ. I would like for you to elaborate a little, Thom.
Joe, you know as well as I do that the West Coast sound was done with real players playing real instruments. 'Nuff said.
Steinar, that MySpace page gives credit to LJ as a friend of the owner, and a few musicians. No word of his "heavy involvement."
Johnny Lee, I practice, but without tracks. Not hard to do, really. But those backing tracks that you use, were recorded with professional musicians. Not a 1983 Casio keyboard. And with all respect, even though you've been a member here since 2000, some of your questions sound like those of a beginner. No harm in that at all. But are you putting out videos, CD's, etc., using the professional tracks, without permission, or without paying some sort of "user fee," i.e., ROYALTY?
And Ron !. I've been in large studios, small basement studios, and living rooms with a 4-track cassette recorder. And I've seen guitars, basses, pianos, steel guitars, horns, drums, as WELL as the samples to which you refer. And the next time you "stroll" around the Forum, see how many posts you can find deriding the use of pitch correction or Auto-Tune. I checked your profile, and I like your daughter's singing. Is that her REAL voice? I don't ask that question as an insult, just asking you to verify if the tracks have been, as you say, "gone over by so many computers."
And as to your question, raise your finger if you're not using BIAB---well, maybe you could have worded that a little differently, 'cause I don't use BIAB, but I don't want to raise my finger :) .
Y'all, look here. Remember Ashley Simpson screwing up her lip-synching on SNL? How many of you guys gripe about the canned music on the awards shows? Complain because a singer is "pitchy?" And how many of you know of instances where an instrument has been replaced by a synth patch? I know of TWO excellent steel players who were replaced this way.
I doubt if LJ's gonna discover any new talent, Ron. But if he does, my hat's off to him.
By the way, my hometown has a little festival every year. This year, the STAR performer was some guy from Nashville. Came onstage with a laptop and a Strat. Case closed.