Why not give 'em a choice?

Jack Francis · Post by **Jack Francis** » 18 Aug 2005 6:09 am

b0b hates 'em, Charlie and others, including myself are picky about 'em while others could care less.

I took the logos off of my NV400 and my old Rusler steel the first day I had them.

Manufacturers don't look at thier logo as being an important part of the appearance
of thier product but the consumer does.

If it were my product I would give folks a choice of my logo or a nicely done script...or leaving it off.

I do graphics on race cars and vehicles but will only put my name on them if the customer insists....he has a major investment in his image and I don't want to
spoil his party.

Ken Thompson · Post by **Ken Thompson** » 18 Aug 2005 8:07 am

I don't mind logos on them and I like most of them. But I certainly agree that they do impact the overall perception of the instrument or amp. Certainly that does not apply to everyone. Some of us are audio people while others are visual. I happen to be both so I want it to look good as well as sound good.

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 18 Aug 2005 9:08 am

...while I have never removed a logo from a steel guitar or amp, I do immediately remove the "dealers" logo from the back of any car or truck that I buy. I wasn't compensated to display free advertising for the length of time that I own the auto.

I haven't thought of guitars and amps in that context, but..........?

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Ben Lawson · Post by **Ben Lawson** » 18 Aug 2005 12:29 pm

I agree about the car labels but even without the dealers logo a Hugo is still a Hugo. Having "Emmons" on the front of my steel is something I'm kinda' proud of.

Bill Mayville · Post by **Bill Mayville** » 18 Aug 2005 1:45 pm

I traded amps with Jack one time. Few years later we traded again.My Evans came back and said (HONDA)Yes, he has a thing about logos.
On because he is a real ARTIST

Bill Mayville

Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 23 Aug 2005 1:34 pm

Dealership logos are different from manufacturers' logos. I agree that a dealership logo is pretty much free advertising and I despise them (the dealership logos). However, the manufacturer's logo is pretty much a part of the thing that it's on.

For example, let's say you're in the market for a 6-string guitar and there's a certain brand that you think is very good. So, you go into a music store to buy a guitar of that brand and none of the guitars have any logos on them. How would you know for sure which guitar is which brand?

Brand recognition is an integral part of any merchandise or good.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 23 Aug 2005 1:47 pm

Logos help sell merchandise. For example,how many Emmons guitars have been sold on name alone? IMHO, case closed ....[This message was edited by Barry Blackwood on 23 August 2005 at 02:47 PM.]

Wayne Morgan · Post by **Wayne Morgan** » 23 Aug 2005 2:12 pm

I would never remove my steel logo's. or my Peavey logos. I really like my Peavey gear.
I have peavey Mixer, power amp, 2 SP2's, two Nash 400,s and proud to own them. If that is advertising for them, then great, glad to do it. I also view car dealers differently.
Wayne

Les Anderson · Post by **Les Anderson** » 23 Aug 2005 2:26 pm

Are you guys saying that the name "GUYA" on my steel may not be the best brand name to display when reselling it.

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 23 Aug 2005 3:10 pm

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Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 23 Aug 2005 3:46 pm

Nice Fender, Gene. (Front looks suspiciously like a Carter ....)[This message was edited by Barry Blackwood on 23 August 2005 at 05:14 PM.]

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 23 Aug 2005 4:26 pm

I have a small Mesa Boogie amp that I use for standard guitar. I removed the logo, and keep it in my desk drawer, waiting to be reattached if I ever sell the amp.

The reason I removed the logo is security. I think it is far less likely to be stolen from a bandstand if it looks like a generic amp. IMO, the Boogie logo made it a much more desireable target..

Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 23 Aug 2005 4:56 pm

Joey, do you think that would work on my new BMW?

Jack Francis · Post by **Jack Francis** » 23 Aug 2005 6:42 pm

My NV400 without that Peavey logo is without
a doubt a Peavey, I'm proud of that amp and the the great company that made it,,,the Peavey logo that was put on my bands PA speakers is still there cuz it is not that awful looking thing that was on my 400....IMHO

I don't take off logos cuz I'm not wanting people to know what I'm using...My Fender stuff still says Fender...If I had a Sho-Bud or an Emmons they'd still be on 'em!

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Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 24 Aug 2005 10:22 am

I love my Peavey stuff and they've been really good to me... but those red things and plastic badges had to go. Amps look better without 'em to me. I'm saving them for the next guy...

When I got my PT Cruiser, I took it back to the dealer and asked how much they were paying me, or if they'd trade a maintenance contract for the advertising space. They thought I was crazy, but finally agreed to take 'em off and polish the car.

I don't wear Nike shirts either...

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James Cann · Post by **James Cann** » 24 Aug 2005 1:50 pm

Having "Emmons" on the front of my steel is something I'm kinda' proud of.

As am I of the "Sho-Bud Nashville, Tennessee," and "LDG" logos on mine (although I could do without the word 'model'--'LDG' doesn't need that).

. . . but as 'tis said, "a rose by any other name . . ."[This message was edited by James Cann on 25 August 2005 at 08:09 AM.]

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 26 Aug 2005 2:46 am

My Evans came back and said HONDA

Jack is a man after my own heart.

A Peavey would be recognizeable without the logo, and better looking.
Is their logo meant to scare? Or just startle?

Jack Francis · Post by **Jack Francis** » 26 Aug 2005 5:40 am

had to laugh about that Evans amp...I had forgotten about that...I had a Honda motorcycle with a chrome logo that was just dying to replace the Evans logo.

You'd be amazed how many folks came up to me at gigs to ask when Honda got into the amplifier biz.....had fun with that one.

Jim Hinton · Post by **Jim Hinton** » 26 Aug 2005 5:46 am

Hey Jack ... I used to have a Rusler guitar. I bought it from Horace Russell here in Phoenix, as he was the guy making them.

Sometime in the late 1970's he moved somewhere around Kentucky. Any idea what ever happened to that guy? He was a true character, and I enjoyed getting to know him.

Have a great weekend my friend!

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 26 Aug 2005 6:23 am

The most fun I ever had with a Logo change was with my 1960 Edsel. It had EDSEL in chrome letters on the rear fenders and the trunk....I changed the letters in EDSEL so that it spelled LEEDS.

It was sure a conversation piece because very few had ever seen the redesigned 1960 Edsel that didn't have the recognizable catfish grill.

The only downside was being continually "stopped" by police to check it out because they didn't have a LEEDS on their list.

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Mike Brown · Post by **Mike Brown** » 26 Aug 2005 6:48 am

I've never encountered anyone who is scared by a product logo.

Jack Francis · Post by **Jack Francis** » 26 Aug 2005 6:58 am

Gene...Yer on the right track....good one!

Mike..If a company wants to enhance it's image...it shouldn't use a logo that looks like it was designed by the owners kid in an eight grade art class. (Wonder what the history of that thing really is?)

Jim
I never met the man,,,I did hear that he had passed away....I'm sure that since Chuck Back(Desert Rose Steels) bought the old stock of Rusler stuff he would be familiar with the history of the companies movings.

I got my Rusler from Jeff Newman before my move to Arizona. so I'm kinda in the dark about the company...I do know the guy that did all of the pinstriping on them,,,,he still live in Mesa, (Butchr Tucker)

I will have a GREAT weekend...same to you.[This message was edited by Jack Francis on 26 August 2005 at 08:00 AM.][This message was edited by Jack Francis on 26 August 2005 at 08:07 AM.]