Summertime Girl

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 5 Jul 2005 6:55 am

I think thats the name of this masterpiece.. I won't mention the female vocalists name... Just heard it on my local ""country"" station. I would imagine the target audience is 15 year old girls. Here are some lyrical highlights...

"I got a new tattoo"..I think you'll like the view"

"Don't need no boyfriend, I've got my girl friends"

and my FAVORITE line.. this one aimed at all the boys that come sniffing around.. "Dont get more than your HOPES up.. [snicker wink wink]...
No offense to the hard working studio musicians that put time in on it of course, including the fine steel player,but...

Is this REALLY what country music has degraded to??... I am confused... Is it just a regional thing?.. I KNOW upstate NY is not a hotbed for real country music.. that pedal steel of mine sitting in my son's old bedroom collecting dust is a testament to that fact.

Is this stuff whats listened to by country fans down south too?

sigh.. guess I'll justen to the oldies station... oops, no oldies station here either...

Please forgive the minor rant. I just have trouble dealing with "modern country" and sometimes I boil over a bit

bob

Charles Dempsey · Post by **Charles Dempsey** » 5 Jul 2005 7:16 am

If you're running XP, go get you a copy of iTunes at Apple's website. There's some real good stations in the country and americana sections (and lots of others that aren't). Wire your sound card output into your stereo's input. Enjoy.

My favorites are bootliquor, steel radio (natch

, fallenangel and take country back (or something like that).

I can't rail against the pop-country stuff. Lord knows I listened to some junk when I was a kid, although there does seem to be a lot more of it these days.

Charlie

Chris Spencer · Post by **Chris Spencer** » 5 Jul 2005 7:24 am

Now that's one I haven't heard. Yeah sometimes its hard to find real country on the radio. That's why God invented cd players. We're fortunate to have a non profit radio station WEVL that plays blue grass (Bluff City Barn Dance) on Saturday mornings. Most of the modern country I look at like pop music that I can understand the words to, well mostly understand. While it ain't real country I like it better than Nelly and 50 cent et al.

Brett Anderson · Post by **Brett Anderson** » 6 Jul 2005 12:37 pm

Hey Bob, Why not mention the artists' name? I haven't had the misfortune to hear the song you mentioned but if its like some of the other stuff i've heard on the few rare occasions i listen to top 40 country radio, i'm sure i would be giving my button pushing finger a little workout. luckily in Phoenix we also have a station that plays
the better country with the new stuff. and i just ordered a few new cds from southland records.

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 6 Jul 2005 1:28 pm

How about some "classic country" titles?
"The Night I Let You Hang My Wings up on Your Horns"
"The Other Woman"
"Hell Yes, I Cheated"
"Apartment #9"
Want some substance abuse? "Devil in the Bottle."
Country music has ALWAYS contained a certain amount of carnality, and not just country music, either. In "Murder on Music Row," Larry Cordle wrote," Nobody wants to hear them old drinking, cheating songs." If this chick singer is singing about getting tattoos, getting polluted, having sex, or just making innuendos, she's only progressing down a linear path, from "Slip Around." Reflections of a real world---not necessarily a GREAT world, but a real world, nevertheless.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 6 Jul 2005 2:18 pm

Country music has ALWAYS contained a certain amount of carnality

Not to mention CORNality...

Howard Tate · Post by **Howard Tate** » 6 Jul 2005 6:39 pm

OUCH!!!!

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Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 6 Jul 2005 9:57 pm

Just go back and listen to "I got the Hoss If You Got The Saddle" one more time... nothing new here...

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 7 Jul 2005 5:11 am

MVA, amen... I guess I was just hoping we were going to get past that sort of thing.. Its not the sexual innuendo that bothers me.
I can deal with that just fine.
Actually, its the lack of soul and expression. Music is suppossed to be an art form... Sometimes I feel its more like a 9 year old's video game... bob

Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 7 Jul 2005 2:32 pm

One word: demographics. I just said about all I had to say about this over on this thread, I'll try not to repeat myself:

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum10/HTML/005368.html

I have to conclude, as others have, that us 50+ers are probably just too much of a pain in the butt to market to, when there are a bunch of naive and inexperienced younger folks who will flock to buy anything with a little 'sizzle' that is cast upon the water.

Back in the late 70s/early 80s, I remember a panel discussion of marketeers, who were sighing with relief at the advent of a slightly younger, more materialistic generation, and the aging of the 'counterculture' folks who caused such a wave of critical analysis in the culture. I remember one comment, paraphrased as well as I can remember it: "It's great to have some shallow, materialistic young people who we can really sell to, instead of these pain in the %^$ hippie leftovers". They certainly got their wish, and a lot of hippie-leftovers turned into first-class yuppies to boot. But they should be looking out for the predicted demographic dip in teen/college-age population over the next decade. They may have to put some clothes on that emperor yet.

As far as corn goes, I'll take some Corn Pickin' and Slick Slidin' any day.

Brett Anderson · Post by **Brett Anderson** » 7 Jul 2005 3:21 pm

mark, maybe i don't like the current sexual innuendo, because the newer artists are'nt as talented as Mel Tillis. As songwriters or singers. he could make it more better and tasteful. The song Bob talked about bugs me because there's a hint of lesbianism. Which is fine, but i don't think I want my young daughter listening to it.

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 7 Jul 2005 3:28 pm

Brett, I've never heard the song in question, don't know who the singer is since the ever-enigmatic Mr. Carlucci won't name names---BUT, if the line,"Don't need no boyfriend, I've got my girlfriends" suggests lesbianism to you, then you wouldn't want to hear my wife talk. She and her "girlfriends" go shopping a lot. My sister and her "girlfriends" do a lot of church work (my sister is a 67-year-old grandmother, BTW). I don't see the suggestion of lesbianism. Just another silly song. You know, like "Groovy Grubworm."[This message was edited by Stephen Gambrell on 07 July 2005 at 04:28 PM.]

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 7 Jul 2005 5:42 pm

Dave M....with ya 100%...not only that..they don't know what the hell to do with us 50's+ folks. You can't sell "Country" to young folks...and you can't sell "Garbage" to us "Geezers"...George S., Randy T., Vince G..just go betweens...that is your choice Dave, like it or not! i made a statement awhile back, and it's true...untill my daughter straighten me out..hell i thought "Montgomery Gentry" was an old female blues singer!..Darrryl Worley, is just on the edge of that mess..tolerable to me...but my 22 year old college student daughter..freaks at the mention of his name. without thinking i am being a smart a$$ who in the world are these people...here is a list..being honest now...everyone OVER 50..how many people on this list have you heard songs by? and they are on the radio RIGHT NOW...these are on the COUNTRY STATIONS {my brat daughter made this list}
Bobby Pinson
George Canyon
Hanna-McEuen
Katrina Elam
Amy Dalley
Brian McComas
Amber Dotson
Tift Merritt
Blue Country
Jimmy Wayne
Blain Larsen
The Jenkins
Miranda Lambert.........
and to keep you honest..which one of those "Singers" put out the song "Something like a broken heart"?

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Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 7 Jul 2005 7:06 pm

George: Tift Who - say what?!! Never heard of ONE of them. Argh, I hate to think of myself as a geezer. Geez, I play with a bunch of young guys that range in age from 21 to 28, and I'll guarantee you, they never heard of any of these people either. But they know Merle Haggard, and we even do a couple of his tunes for college students.

I'll tell you, I think this is more than generational. It's cultural, and I can't even find exactly where that cultural divide is, but there's one there somewhere. I suppose I could condescendingly say it's "critical thinking ability", but that probably wouldn't get it either. I guess I need to do some more research.

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 7 Jul 2005 7:30 pm

now Dave..that was a figure of speech my friend..ok? how about ummm..."Intellectually Advanced Musical Age Group"? Being 50+++++ myself...all of my daughters college friends think i'm cool.."For an older guy"...hehehehe
Most bands i have been in, seems everyone was younger then myself as well...they to liked Haggard and Jones..but they also liked the "Stones".......

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Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 7 Jul 2005 7:42 pm

Quote: "Intellectually Advanced Musical Age Group"

Ah..., I guess you'd go along with my "critical thinking ability" cultural divide line, eh? I'd like to think that's it. That would mean that all we need to do is 'educate' everybody, and it'll all be OK, right?

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 7 Jul 2005 7:45 pm

That would mean that all we need to do is 'educate' everybody....

That's exactly how it's done nowdays.

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 7 Jul 2005 9:38 pm

well Dave..i don't know about it being.."ok" Mr Phelps..i agree.....

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Brett Anderson · Post by **Brett Anderson** » 10 Jul 2005 2:56 pm

Dave and George, I agree the lesbian idea may be a stretch. But surely you agree that the lyrics are at best stupid. I don't want to start the whole new country vs. real country debate again but let me say this. I understand who they market records to these days. I am 33 years old and the new music for the most part does not appeal to me. I am an adult. However, me and several of my friends are grown ups with incomes well over 50,000 dollars per year. We buy a hell of a lot of music. Many of them will plunk down 12 or 15 bucks for the country we like. Could it just be that if we had more to choose from Nashville might see their sales increase? I know they suffer decreases every year as it is. Real country music is all i play and guys i ain't trying to brag. But as a rythm player and lead singer I work all the dates I can handle. And I don't even know one Kenny Chesney song. Or a Tim McGraw song. My good friend Pat James has had the same sit down gig at the Buffalo Chip in Cave Creek for over ten years. He does no KC songs or TM. Those guys make close to 400 bucks a week for 3 nights of picking. Luckily, there is this forum for me to find out about guys like Bobby Flores etc... who love the same kind of music I do and continue to keep it alive. But what about those who don't see this site? they're forced to keep listening to what the radio plays and to keep thinking that's all there is for country music. What a shame. Thanks Nashville!

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 10 Jul 2005 3:09 pm

Sometimes I feel its more like a 9 year old's video game...

That's how I feel about the Humor section of this very Forum.

Chris Spencer · Post by **Chris Spencer** » 11 Jul 2005 9:51 am

George, I'm only 46 but here goes: Bobby Pinson = boring, Hanna-McEwan = Okay, something Like a Broken Heart (the sons of Hanna & McEwan from Nitty Gritty Dirt Band), Katrina Elam = Okay super hot girl from Oklahoma, Blaine Larson = the kid that mows your lawn with a deep voice. As for the rest some I've heard of but haven't heard their music but I'm pretty sure none of them are what we would call Country.

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 11 Jul 2005 10:48 am

Chris..you get the soggy old stoggie..ummm..i mean give the guy a see-gar! you are right it was "Hanna & McEwan"..but Brett, you are 100% correct in my book buddy boy..my thoughts exactly. And Chris, they do consider ALL the "Singers" and i use that word loosely, that i listed as country, and they play them over and over and over and over and over on our local top 40 broadcast mess called WMUS FM 107. I called them once and asked them to play "Tell me something bad about Tulsa" the George Strait version..they told me.."Sorry..we don't play classic country"...go figure....

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Chris Spencer · Post by **Chris Spencer** » 11 Jul 2005 10:56 am

Now I can't stop laughing. Things are moving way to fast when a song about 2 years old is considered "Classic" I just found out last week that our local volunteer radio station WEVL has a country show playing stuff like Hank Thompson and other goodies from the 50s and 60s. Our local commercial country station does the same thing - over and over and over and over agin. It drives me up the wall! If I didn't have a cd player I'd go nuts. Hey, email me that see-gar and I'll light'r up.

Tony Palmer · Post by **Tony Palmer** » 12 Jul 2005 11:56 am

http://www.umgnashville.com/product.aspx?ob=disc&src=art&pid=1467

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 12 Jul 2005 1:25 pm

Aha....