Vroom Vroom Vroom

Brad Sarno · Post by **Brad Sarno** » 14 Sep 2004 6:47 am

Have you heard that "Vroom Vroom Vroom I love Nascar" song by that Judd guy and with Toby Warmonger Keith guest appearing on it? Wow, music has sunk to an all time low in my book. Extremely insulting music on so many levels. Looks like some people still into selling all their soul and integrity to the devil. It's a musical tragedy. I felt like I watched a plane crash. I must admit I almost watched the whole video, in shock and awe...

Brad Sarno

Joe Alterio · Post by **Joe Alterio** » 14 Sep 2004 7:06 am

That's funny....I felt the SAME way when I first saw "I Love This Bar." I kept thinking to myself that TK just had a huge hit with Willie on "Beer For My Horses" and he's following it up with a song that is way too monotone, has insipid lyrics and basically panders to the honky-tonk owners and patrons (guaranteed jukebox sales, anyone?).

Now, the song gets parodied...and unlike Weird Al making a bad song sounding good, Judd makes a bad song even worse.

Interestingly, there are lots of people who absolutely love the TK "Bar" song and get mad when I say that I don't like it.

Joe

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 14 Sep 2004 7:57 am

What's with the "Warmonger" quip?

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 14 Sep 2004 8:20 am

That's a good name for him, but any hint of political 'dicussion' will get this closed, so I'm done! (Except to say that TK continues to plumb new depths with each release....)

RR

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 14 Sep 2004 9:14 am

Johnny Paycheck's list of what Country tunes subject matter should be about still holds true;

Momma
Trains
Pickup Truck
etc....

OOPS again, David Allen Coe is correct. Forgot to take my smart pills today....[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 14 September 2004 at 12:16 PM.]

Terry VunCannon · Post by **Terry VunCannon** » 14 Sep 2004 9:52 am

"Momma....Trains....Pickup Truck..."
Wasn't that David Allen Coe/ Steve Goodman?

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 14 Sep 2004 10:08 am

I haven't seen the whole video on "Vroom" but, I thought it was funny. I think that was what Judd & Toby where going for.

Toby being called a warmonger is Shock'n!
Anyway, Toby's "I Love This Bar" is well written and full of steel.
I recommend Toby's "Shock'n Y'all cd.

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 14 Sep 2004 10:11 am

Oh I see what you guys are getting at with the "warmonger" handle. I checked out Keiths' website and I saw that Keith supports our troops and our generals and our Commander In Chief. These are the people in charge of protecting the US. ie. finding and killing these islamic asswipes that killed our sailors in Yemen, our Marines in Beirut, our soldiers in Iraq, 3000+ people in New York city, and lately murdered children by blowing them up and shooting them in the back as they ran from a school in Russia.
So in a typical pinhead liberal response, you people label Keith a "warmonger".

When your country is at war, you need a lot's of "warmongers". You can label me one too.

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 14 Sep 2004 10:40 am

Joe Alterio · Post by **Joe Alterio** » 14 Sep 2004 10:43 am

Actually, I label TK as a rude and ignorant person. Its one thing to support our troops. Its another to say "we'll put a boot in your ass," etc. He basically came up with a song that would give other countries of the world the feeling that we are a bunch of pompous, holier-than-thou, we're-always-right-and-you're-always-wrong jerks. That song of his was really ignorant.

And telling others (e.g. Dixie Chicks) that they must be in cahoots with Saddam because they don't support Bush is just plain evil. The very foundation of this country is the ability to question your leaders. And out them via a popular vote.....well, electoral college vote, anyway (if we had used a popular vote, neither Harrison nor Bush would have been presidents of the USA).

Again, this is mutually exclusive from supporting the troops.

And, of course, has nothing really to do with the fact that his recent song and the parody are both quite awful.

While I dislike TKs attitude, I do like some of his songs. "Let's Talk About Me" and "Beer For My Horses" are excellent, IMO. But that "Bar" song....yuck!

Joe

Chris Schlotzhauer · Post by **Chris Schlotzhauer** » 14 Sep 2004 11:34 am

I like Vroom Vroom Vroom. It's a well written parody. I like I Love This Bar as well.

Auset Sarno · Post by **Auset Sarno** » 14 Sep 2004 11:37 am

Its obvious that the beauty of diversity will never have all agree on the politics, but shouldn't we demand just a little more lyrically out of these "well-paid" video stars?

I refuse to refer to some as musicians when compared to truly great artists that paved the way for others. As a songwriter myself, I would NEVER consider "vroom, vroom, vroom, vrooooooooom, I love nascar" to pass my lips as a "real" song - maybe a drunk, made-up on the spot tune, but certainly not a "real" song.

IMHO, it is down right insulting to hear such empty songs. Its basically the music industry deciding what I hear on the radio - but to decide that we as a people are that unintelligent? A good song, whether it is a "country", "rap", "rock", or other genre, is about lyrics, timing, groove, hook - whatever - but what separates a good song from the bad, is the wit. Not creating the obvious rhyme, but creating musical conversation.

But I guess if you have some young "sexy" woman swinging her thing in a video, anything goes, eh? Its community radio, i-pod, or cds for me. They might have the power to play it, but thank goodness I have the power to turn it off.

Auset

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 14 Sep 2004 1:17 pm

Thanks, Joe - I couldn't have put it better myself. That song reinforces every negative thought that the rest of the world has about Americans, and its sentiments are extremely ugly.

I have little regard for Mr Keith - it seems to me he's exploiting the current situation shamelessly. He's not a particularly good singer, and the fact that he uses a steel-player on his records can't possibly atone for the level his lyrics have sunk to.

RR

[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 14 September 2004 at 02:20 PM.]

Chris Schlotzhauer · Post by **Chris Schlotzhauer** » 14 Sep 2004 1:28 pm

That song reinforces every negative thought that the rest of the world has about Americans, and its sentiments are extremely ugly.

You mean beer swillin', NASCAR goin', stars & bars wavin' rednecks? What's negative about that? Besides, who gives a hoot what the rest of the world thinks?

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 14 Sep 2004 2:13 pm

I'm with you Chris. I Love This Bar is just a tune about a bar that a guy thinks a lot of and no more. Believe it or not there's a whole bunch of guys and gals that really like their local watering hole and they can relate to that tune. I've seen more than my share of folks who thought that way about their favorite bar so why not write a song about it? As for what the rest of the world thinks about the US, I could care less. This business of political correctness and being so afraid to offend people that hate everyone on the planet that doesn't believe the way they do is just plain stupid. Win or lose they'll still hate us when it's all over. If anything Toby Kieth, Darrell Worley, and Arron Tipon have rallied the listeners and gave them songs about patriotism. It's a different time than when Frances Scott Key was around but it has the same effect. So what's wrong with getting behind the troops?

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 14 Sep 2004 2:51 pm

Just airing my views here, but to clarify, the song I was referring to was the one called, I think, 'The Angry American'. That 'bar' song doesn't bother me one way or the other. It's unremarkable, but harmless.

You make a good point, Frank - the reality is that few contributors to this Forum really care what anyone else thinks; these topics are rarely 'discussions' in the strict sense of the word...

RR

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 14 Sep 2004 3:38 pm

TB is most definately exploiting whatever he can to sell records and he's hit on something. I remember in the 70's it seemed every Al Green record I heard sounded like the one before and so many artists use whatever method they can to sell their product. It's all about sales really. I'm not a Nascar fan but the ones that are fans probably play that tune (Vroom) in the Honky Tonks and request it too. So many here on the forum have expressed their dislike for Ride a Horse-Save a Cowboy (or whatever that is) but it's one of the most requested tunes in the dance clubs. Tastes vary considerably.

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 14 Sep 2004 7:26 pm

Looks like some people still into selling all their soul and integrity to the devil.

Um, I thought it was prerequisite for the entertainment business.

Besides, who gives a hoot what the rest of the world thinks?

Well, if you're not going to kill all of them, we may have to try and get along with them.

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 14 Sep 2004 7:43 pm

You will never get along with these jerks. Their religion won't allow it. Ask the Israelis.

Brad Sarno · Post by **Brad Sarno** » 15 Sep 2004 8:21 am

I dont know about that Bill. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Bush family have had fruitful and wonderful relations with the Saudis for years. They get along marvelously.

Also, I resent being called a pinhead liberal. Trust me, just because I disagree with Toby Keith's shameless pandering to patriotism to help sell his goofy records, doesn't mean that I don't support our troops and also doesn't define me as liberal or anti-republican or unpatriotic. Toby does not speak for the GOP. You clearly have no idea where my politics lie. It's just that Toby Keith is not my favorite foreign policy advisor nor songwriter.

Brad Sarno

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 15 Sep 2004 9:09 am

That's an extremely polite response, Brad, given the tone of Mr Hatcher's contribution to this thread. You've summed up Toby Keith admirably, and I feel exactly as you do about him.

Thanks, Chas

The last line of your post 'kick-started' my day - very funny!

Roger R.

Joe Alterio · Post by **Joe Alterio** » 15 Sep 2004 9:18 am

Toby Keith is not my favorite foreign policy advisor nor songwriter.

Classic!!!! I have to use this!!!! You just put a big smile on my face, Brad!

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 15 Sep 2004 9:46 am

So Brad, are you gutsy enough to tell us if you are voting for John Kerry or not. By the way, I did not say one word about your patriotism, just your "warmonger" remark.

John Kerry has his picture hanging in Hanoi along with Jane Fonda and other traitors.

I personally support Bush. He is not perfect, but he has a much better record and reputation than Kerry ever can have and when you put his personal and political performance side by side with Kerrys' there is no doubt as to Bush being the better candidate.

Please also let us know if you actually lend any credence at all to that M. Moore "Farcenheit" propaganda. You can do numerous web searches that have debunked much of his movie into just outright lies and deception.

One thing about liberals is that they usually cower down when you present them with truth and facts.

You caving in yet on the "Memogate" CBS smear tactic yet? All those documents have been proven to be forged.
How about Kerrys "band aid" purple hearts, and his spectacular 4 months in Nam being disputed by so many vets who were right there in the same boat and on other boats right with him.
How about 19 years in the Senate with only 5 pieces of legislation to his credit of any substance at all.
How about the famous "I actually voted FOR the 87 billion before I voted AGAINST it".
You into all the Demo class warfare stuff. Wealth redistribution, etc. I heard Kerry yesterday using the age old "Republicans are stealing your social security" lie.
Were you devasted when Howard Dean made that "I have a scream" speach and ruined his chances.

Michael Moore is not MY personal favorite national advisor.

I will take a guy who sings country music songs, waves a flag, entertains troops no matter what his motives are any day over a guy who turned on his fellow Viet Nam soldiers and refused to vote for funding to support our soldiers in Iraq. The most liberal politician in Washington---the Democratic nominee.

Auset Sarno · Post by **Auset Sarno** » 15 Sep 2004 9:56 am

Speaking of SONGWRITING... here's one for ALL to enjoy! A classic tune with some fresh lyrics and imagery.
http://www.jibjab.com

Ignore the stupid commerical while it loads...

Auset
[This message was edited by Auset Parks on 15 September 2004 at 10:59 AM.]

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 15 Sep 2004 10:02 am

In regards to Mr. Rettig. You are an Englishman right? Your over here now. That is because we have the most open, free society in the world where others can come in and seek what they usually can't find in their own country.

Your Euro weenie buddies like the French and the Germans and others won't support us because they have become such pitiful little socialistic shells of nothing of substance. They are so envious of America that they can't stand ANYTHING we do whether it is right or wrong. I guess in a pathological way, Europe suffers American "penis envy".

America had to fight to sever itself from Europe when it won its Independence and then had to go over to Europe and save your ass a couple of times and never asked ANYTHING in return except as Colin Powell said "for plots of land to bury our dead".

I would expect you to bring in the old "why Europe hates us" slant. That's OK. I just did not want it to go unchallenged.