In a million years I didn't think I'd like this

Tony Palmer · Post by **Tony Palmer** » 4 Jun 2003 7:30 am

I thought I hated everything he stands for AND his music but I have to admit (gulp, I can't believe I'm going to say this) I watched a movie called 8 Mile featuring Eminem and I liked it!!
It gave me a new perspective on rap music!!

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 4 Jun 2003 7:42 am

He is so adorable.

Greg Vincent · Post by **Greg Vincent** » 4 Jun 2003 7:57 am

Tony, you're very brave to admit that.

Too often we "decide" not to like something before we've learned anything about it.

-GV

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 4 Jun 2003 8:32 am

The previews were enough to scare me away from that movie.

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 4 Jun 2003 9:15 am

...well, Tony, I'll bite...can you expand upon that a little, what new perspective did you gain and why?...

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 4 Jun 2003 10:28 am

Ok Tony..time to change your name..

TP

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 4 Jun 2003 10:55 am

My girlfriend, who is over 50, listens to that stuff so when 8 Mile came out we had to go see it at the Dome, which has an impressive sound system. We got there early and before the show, they were playing his music over the sound system and since I'm not familiar with what he does, I was listening. Whoever is doing the producing is excellent.

After the movie I came away thinking that that kid is a real talent, whether you like what he does or not.

I thought I hated everything he stands for AND his music

I remember back in the '50s when there was a huge reaction, by a lot of older white people, against rock and roll and everything it stood for. Funny, how we become our parents.

Tony Palmer · Post by **Tony Palmer** » 4 Jun 2003 11:46 am

!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all, I knew this would be a "shocking" statement to make on the Forum! But that's the point...I was "shocked" that I enjoyed this movie and the rap music that was in it.
Believe me, I'm an Alan Jackson/Merle Haggard/George Strait/Willie Nelson , etc., etc. fan and NEVER thought I would sit through this stuff but I did and it was good!
Now, what I mean by "good" was, I got a kick out of the way they improvised the words right on the spot, and in fact, competed with each other in a battle of the bands sort of thing.
I guess it's the first time I ever listened to the words of this crap and I got a kick out of it!!
It's definitely a different form of music.....
TP (not Tony Prior!)
[This message was edited by Tony Palmer on 04 June 2003 at 12:47 PM.]

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 4 Jun 2003 1:03 pm

I have been on camera crews for rap video shoots, and played bass licks on a few NYC rap cuts and edited demo reals for rap video film makers. One of my best friends engineers projects for P Diddy's crew etc. He prefers working with Wynton Marsallis.
~I even have a rap street name in certain circles "CinqDsync."

Some of it is heartfelt lyricle and in tune with its environment with solid production values, etc bla bla bla.
And whole lot of it is drek. And an unfortunate amount truely mean spirited.

I can produce it in the correct style etc... but still don't care to.
But I might enjoy the movie anyway.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 04 June 2003 at 02:05 PM.]

Bill Moore · Post by **Bill Moore** » 4 Jun 2003 4:50 pm

I believe that Eminem pretty much takes control of the production of his music. It's not the type of music I prefer, but I also think he has real talent. It's head and shoulders above most other rap music.

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 5 Jun 2003 5:21 am

...so is the tune you hear when you turn the crank on a jack-in-the-box...

Bryan Knox · Post by **Bryan Knox** » 5 Jun 2003 5:31 am

Tony, your new name will be T-Dawg

All kidding aside, although Eminem's music is not my cup of tea either, exposure to ALL types of music is profitable to any musician. Something positive can be learned from all of it if we'll pay attention.

signed,
B-Dawg

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JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 5 Jun 2003 6:06 am

The difference between Eminem and most other rappers is that all of his songs are short stories, many of them extremely well done. He has a quick wit and very dry sense of humor that I like. He has a message that comes through that takes him ay above other pratitioners of the genre. The question now is can he find a way to keep the genre from limiting what he can do? Or can he redefine it? Rap/Hip Hop was badly in need of someone like this.

JB

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Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 5 Jun 2003 6:50 am

I saw the movie on an airplane and really liked it also. Dr. Dre has quite a bit to do with Eminem's music. When some of the newer rap stuff catches my ear Dr. Dre is usually behind it. Great producer.

Bob

Tony LaCroix · Post by **Tony LaCroix** » 5 Jun 2003 6:51 am

Here's another Tony who has recently learned to appreciate rap music.

A few weeks ago, the founder of Def Jam records (can't remember his name...) was being interviewed on TV and he explained the importance and background of rap. He helped me understand that all that anger and profanity has legitimate roots, and that many parallels can be drawn between rap and country or blues music. Most importantly, I came away with the realization that it takes real courage and passion to create rap music. I hate to say it, but modern country, blues, and rock music could really use some of that boldness.

Still, listening to it makes me tense, frustrated, and angry. I used to think it was because the music was so bad. Now I realize that this may be the intended effect.

Word up.
Peace, out.

Martin Weenick · Post by **Martin Weenick** » 6 Jun 2003 1:46 am

Sorry but I dont consider that stuff "music".Call it whatever you want, but it's not music in my way of thinking. Martin.

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Uwe Haegg · Post by **Uwe Haegg** » 6 Jun 2003 2:58 am

Instead of Steel Guitar Rag we now
may look forward to Steel Guitar Rap.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 6 Jun 2003 3:13 am

Dr. Dre is a good cat his rappers are more positive than most and he is a pro.
Suge Knight I think is the Defjam guy. And I don't like so many of his acts.. they get shot at a lot...

Lionel Wendling did a really cool Steel Guitar Rap tune on the Full Time Job cd. Sort of his story about becoming a steeler. One any of you guys could find some space to like, if not love.
And a cool reggae version of Jambala too.

Jack Francis · Post by **Jack Francis** » 6 Jun 2003 5:20 am

Bambi's mom told him that.."If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

"mmmmmmmmmmm"

Tony Palmer · Post by **Tony Palmer** » 6 Jun 2003 5:33 am

I must qualify my original post: my remarks abour Eminem's music were limited to what I heard in this particular movie, 8 Mile.
The movie is pretty good and the rap stuff fits it just right.
I have since tried listening to more stuff by this guy and don't feel quite the same way.....

Jack Francis · Post by **Jack Francis** » 6 Jun 2003 6:32 am

All right.....I can't help it....Why are we talking about RAP in the music thread??
Ray Charles said it best "It's not music!"

Tony LaCroix · Post by **Tony LaCroix** » 6 Jun 2003 7:51 am

Rap may be offensive to those of us who were raised on music that is melodic and "pleasant", but IT IS MUSIC. Let's leave the in-the-box thinking to the politicians. Music can't afford it.

Jack Francis · Post by **Jack Francis** » 6 Jun 2003 9:13 am

Sorry, I stand corrected. I looked up "Music" in the dictionary and as part of the definition the following is included..

5. (Zo["o]l.) A more or less musical sound made by many of the lower animals. See Stridulation.

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 6 Jun 2003 11:09 am

Sorry but I dont consider that stuff "music".Call it whatever you want, but it's not music in my way of thinking.

"Pop music" is really more about social phenomena and social identity than music. It uses music as its medium. So in that regard, the sub-culture, and the music that goes with it, that I identify with is very diffrerent from the sub-cultures that generate Rap, Reggae, Jawaiian or death metal, for that matter.

A simple definition of music is: organized sound, although personally, I wouldn't put that much restriction on it.

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 6 Jun 2003 1:57 pm

AAAWWWWHH, who cares?? Y'all got any pictures of Shania nekkid?