A&F Lever riffs?

Toby Rider · Post by **Toby Rider** » 20 Oct 2004 12:38 pm

Anyone have some cool riffs involving the A&F lever on the E9th neck that they wouldn't mind sharing?

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 20 Oct 2004 4:41 pm

Sure I'll start with a little move I like to do from G to G9 to G7 to F.
<pre>
3._3~~6~~~~~~~~~
4._3~~6L~6~6R~~~__~8
5._3~~6a~~~~~~~6__~8
6.________________~8
</pre>

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Toby Rider · Post by **Toby Rider** » 20 Oct 2004 7:04 pm

Wow Ricky, that's a nice one, and exactly the type of thing I was hoping folks would post! Thanks alot!

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 20 Oct 2004 8:15 pm

Hey no prob. Toby.
Here's another little diddy from D(5 chord) back to G(1 chord).
<pre>
4._10_9_8_7R~~6R
5.________7~~~6a
6.______8_______
7.____9_________
8._10___________
</pre>
And a move from G to G or G/D/G; starting off your beautiful ballad solo with.
You'll notice a slant to the 11th fret with the bottom string of the grouping, so go for it...ha.
<pre>
4.________________
5._3~~8~~~10~~~10a
6._3~~8~~~10~~~10b
7.________________
8._3~~8R~~11R~~10
</pre>
and from C(1 chord) to F(4 chord) via the augmented passing chord done a few ways.
<pre>
4._3~~~3R~~4R
5._3a~~3a~~4a
6._3b~~3b~~4
OR
4._3~~~3R~~4R
5._3a~~3a~~4a
6._3b~~3~~~4
OR
4._3~~~3R~~4R
5._3a~~3a~~4a
6._3b~~3bL~4
</pre>
"bL" is lower 6th string a whole tone from the b pedal down postition if ya have it.
Ricky

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 20 Oct 2004 8:18 pm

OH and I have about 20 more with using the "F" lever(4th&8th string raise half tone); but then I'll have to start charging...ha.....

Just kiddin'; have fun with it.
Ricky

mickd · Post by **mickd** » 21 Oct 2004 3:04 am

great stuff

On that very last one, if you don't have the string 6 lower, you can get it using string 7 with a raise (which a lot of people have on LKV). It won't sound as good though, as you lose get the 'moving' effect.

Toby Rider · Post by **Toby Rider** » 21 Oct 2004 8:37 am

I'm going to get that lower installed on my "new" Sho Bud, when it arrives in the mail. Maybe a compensator too.

The stork is going to show up at my door wearing a stetson hat, boots, pulling a dolly with a PSG case on it

The stork will then spit out his copenhagen and ask me to sign to acknowledge receipt of the package. Once I sign, the stork will say "see y'all", hop back into his 4x4 dually, fire up the diesel engine and rattle off

Seriously, I'm surprised that more people haven't chimed in on F-lever riffs. Isn't the F lever a standard thing with PSG's that have at least 4 knee levers?

I am a novice PSG player, yet I've been exposed to the usefulness of the F lever already.

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 21 Oct 2004 1:32 pm

Here is one place to use the A+F.

<pre>
F#--------------------------------------------------------
D#--------------------------------------------------------
G#--------------------------------------------------------
E ---10---10L--7---7L--5---5R--7-------5---5R--7---7R-8R--
B ---10---10---7---7---5A--5A--7-------5A--5A--7---7--8---
G#---------------------------------------5B---------------
F#--------------------------------------------------------
E --------------------------------------------------------
D --------------------------------------------------------
B --------------------------------------------------------
</pre>

Going from a D chord to an A7 using both the E-lower & E raise various places to imply different D chord voicings

Can't remember where I stole that line. Maybe somebody can recognize it and refresh my memory.

Bengt Erlandsen

mickd · Post by **mickd** » 21 Oct 2004 1:38 pm

sounds like Mack The Knife ..

Tony Dingus · Post by **Tony Dingus** » 21 Oct 2004 7:01 pm

Here's one I use on uptempo songs going from the 1 to the 4 using a forward roll. This one is G to C.

3)-------3--------4------5-----6~~~8--
4)-----3-------4F------5F----6F~~~~8--
5)-2~3-----3~4-----4~5----5~6~~~~~~8--

Tony

Gary Shepherd · Post by **Gary Shepherd** » 22 Oct 2004 6:55 am

My other attempt didn't seem to post. If this gets duplicated - please delete the extra one.

This is from Vince Gill's "Look At Us". It's in the intro.

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D G A7
| | | | | | | |
1|————————————————————————————————|————————————————————————————————|
2|————————————————————————————————|————————————————————————————————|
3|————————————————————————————————|————————————————————————————————|
4|————————————————5———5———————————|————————————————————————————————|
5|————————————————5———5A——5A——————|6A——————10A—————8A——————————————|
6|————————————————————————5B——————|————————————————————————————————|
7|————————————————————————————————|————————————————————————————————|
8|————————————————————————————————|6F——————10——————8F——————————————|
9|————————————————————————————————|————————————————————————————————|
10|————————————————————————————————|————————————————————————————————|
</pre>

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Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 22 Oct 2004 10:15 am

Gary's last phrase here; can also be played
two more ways. The actual solo John Hughey played
was in the Key of Eb; so up 1 fret from the tab
below.
<pre>
G A7
| | | |
1|————————————————————————————————|
2|————————————————————————————————|
3|————————————————————————————————|
4|————————————————————————————————|
5|6A——————10A—————8A——————————————|
6|————————————————————————————————|
7|————————————————————————————————|
8|6F——————10——————8F——————————————|
9|————————————————————————————————|
10|————————————————————————————————|
</pre>
Or
<pre>
4._3~~6R~~5
5._________
6._3~~6~~~5
</pre>
Or
<pre>
4._3~~5c~~5
5._________
6._3~~5b~~5
</pre>
Ricky

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 22 Oct 2004 11:26 am

Since the melody goes down to the A7 this would probably be a 3rd option

<pre>
G A7
| | | |
1|————————————————————————————————|
2|————————————————————————————————|
3|————————————————————————————————|
4|————————————————————————————————|
5|6A——————10A—————10——————————————|
6|————————————————————————————————|
7|————————————————————————————————|
8|6F——————10——————10L—————————————|
9|————————————————————————————————|
10|————————————————————————————————|
</pre>

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 22 Oct 2004 2:09 pm

Probably not the everyday use for the E-F lever, but still

The E-F lever can be used to get a half stop feel on the C pedal. It works on all my all-pull guitars, not sure about push-pull guitars.

One has to be a little bit gentle on the Cpedal to feel when the 4th string raise of the Cpedal hits the raisefinger(halfstop)but it is well worth it IMO since there is a bunch of fun stuff to find usig that technique.

<pre>
Hold E to F lever in all the time. The C* in the tab means halfstop pedal!!!!

1------------------------------------------------------8--------------------
2---------------------------------------------8-----------------8-----------
3---------------------------------------------------------------------------
4------------------------------------------------8R~8C----8C~8R-------------
5---------------------------------------8~~8C*---------------------8~~8C*---
6------------------------------------8------------------------------------6--
7---------------------------------------------------------------------------
8---------------------------------------------------------------------------
9---------------------------------------------------------------------------
10---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 . . 2 . . 3 . . 4 . . 1 . . 2 . . 3 . . 4 . .

1------------------6-----------------------------------1--------------------
2---------6-----------------6------------------1----------------1-----------
3------------------------------------------------------------------1~~~~----
4------------6R~6C----6C~6R----------------------1R~1C----1C~1R-------------
5---6~~6C*---------------------6~~6C*---1~~1C*------------------------------
6------------------------------------1--------------------------------------
7---------------------------------------------------------------------------
8---------------------------------------------------------------------------
9---------------------------------------------------------------------------
10---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 . . 2 . . 3 . . 4 . . 1 . . 2 . . 3 . . 4 . .

1---------------------------------------------------------------------------
2---6~~~~~~~~(7)~~~~~~~(8)~~~~~~~~~~~~~-------------------------------------
3---------------------------------------------------------------------------
4---------------------------------------------------------------------------
5---6C*~6~6C*~7C*~7~7C*~8C*~8~8C*~~~~~~-------------------------------------
6---------------------------------------------------------------------------
7---------------------------------------------------------------------------
8---------------------------------------------------------------------------
9---------------------------------------------------------------------------
10---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 . . 2 . . 3 . . 4 . . 1 . . 2 . . 3 . . 4 . .

Small speedpicking exercise. Thumb plays str 5 & 4, index str 3, middle str 2

Hold E to F lever in all the time. The C* in the tab means halfstop pedal!!!!

1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2------4---------4---------4---------4--------4--------4-------------4--------4-
3-----------4---------4---------4---------4--------4--------4---4--------4------
4--------4R--------4R--------4R--------4R-------4R-------4R-------4R-------4R---
5---4C*-------4C*-------4C*-------4C*-------4--------4--------4--------4--------
6-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
T 2 T 1 continue similar.................... T 1 T 2 T 1 T 2

1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2------4---------4---------4---------4--------7L-------6LL------4~~~~-----------
3-----------4---------4---------4---------4--------7---------6--4~~~~-----------
4--------4R--------4R--------4R--------4R-------7R--------6R--------------------
5---4C*-------4C*-------4C*-------4C*-------7--------6----------4~~4C*----------
6-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

</pre>

Drew Howard · Post by **Drew Howard** » 24 Oct 2004 6:15 am

Check Hal Rugg.

Here's one influenced by him. G
<pre>
1/-----------------------
2/-------------6---------
3/--------6----6----6----
4/--------6F--------6F---
5/---6A------6----6----6-

1 2+3+4+

speedpicking G-D-G

1/---------------------------
2/--------6---------5L-------
3/---------------------------
4/-----6F---------5----------
5/--6A------6A^5A------5A^6A-

1/16th's
</pre>
cheers,
Drew

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[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 24 October 2004 at 07:16 AM.][This message was edited by Drew Howard on 24 October 2004 at 07:17 AM.]

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 25 Oct 2004 1:36 am

The F lever gives access to the b5 if one wants a minor pentatonic scale while staying at the same fret.

Example 2 octaves of an E minor pentatonic scale w/b5. Notes = Root b3 4 b5 5 b7, or E G A Bb B D

<pre>
F#---------------------------5-----------
D#--------------------5L-----------------
G#----------------------------5B-7B------
E ----------------------5-5R-------------
B ------------------5--------------------
G#---------------5B----------------------
F#-------------5-------------------------
E --------5-5R---------------------------
D ------5--------------------------------
B ----5----------------------------------
</pre>

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 25 Oct 2004 4:55 am

Mercy Bookoo Gentlemen

Toby Rider · Post by **Toby Rider** » 25 Oct 2004 9:33 am

Bengt, is your first example in C?

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 25 Oct 2004 9:45 am

If you mean the example that starts on 8th fret, goes to 6th fret and 1st fret and back to 8th fret. Not key of C even if I'm on the 8th fret.
It is a turnaround/intro type thing that goes E7 (8th fret), D7 (6th fret), A7(1st fret) and back to E7.

Just make sure to follow the instructions about the half pedal otherwise it will sound, hmmmmmmm different.[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 25 October 2004 at 10:49 AM.]

Donald Jeunette · Post by **Donald Jeunette** » 3 Nov 2004 9:26 am

Please bump

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Fay Reid · Post by **Fay Reid** » 11 Nov 2004 9:42 am

<pre>
1._________________________________________
2._______6____________6______________8_____
3._6-6___6_____6--6B__6B_______6B-8__8_____
4._6-6F________6F-6F___________6F-8________
5._________6A_____________6A___________6(A)
</pre>
G to C/Am(A-pedal)