Fender PSG built by Sho~Bud ??

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 2 Feb 2006 5:47 am

I was thinking these guitars were key-less and had a rack and barrel type changer.Anyone know anything about the Fenders built by Sho`Bud?? Are they worthless? Collectable.? Do they contain the famous Sho~Bud pot metal undercarriage?? Thanks in advance..........bb[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 02 February 2006 at 07:07 AM.]

Micky Byrne · Post by **Micky Byrne** » 2 Feb 2006 9:59 am

Hi Bobby, there were a batch of Fenders built by Sho-Bud in the late 70's. They were not keyless, and had the same headstock as the early Fender 400's and 1000's. The undercarriage was the same as the Sho-Buds of that particular era. Probably the "pot" metal was used. I still have an earlier "Bud" and nothing broke off from those models.They were bullet proof but weren't fireproof though

mine got burned in a recent fire and is being rebuilt at this moment.

Micky Byrne, Carter universal and soon to be ressurected Sho-Bud Universal

Micky Byrne · Post by **Micky Byrne** » 2 Feb 2006 10:02 am

Me again, not worthless nor collectable....just up to the individual buyer who happens to want one.Own personal taste

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 2 Feb 2006 10:04 am

Thanks Micky. I understand the keyed models have the pot metal.

Has onyone seen a keyless model built around 1970 with the rack and barrel changer? or did I dream this?.Where they called a PS-210?........bb

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 2 Feb 2006 10:34 am

Bobby, the PS-210 was Fender's keyless guitar, but I don't believe you'd call it a "rack and barrel" design. In fact, it was rather unique, with only one "rod" coming off each pedal. It was mostly a sheetmetal design by Gene Fields to replace the cables of their earlier steels. I think there's about 15 of them out there. It's a shame Fender dropped the ball, but the "crossover" designs, including Sho~Bud's, just lost public appeal.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 2 Feb 2006 11:04 am

There you go. That's the model I was thinking of.And they were a cross-over pedal set-up like the Sho~ Bud Baldwin??How many pedals and knee's were standard?? Thanks Donnie...........bb

John Poston · Post by **John Poston** » 2 Feb 2006 1:38 pm

I'd love to see one of these up close someday.

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Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 2 Feb 2006 3:27 pm

Thanks to Skip Edwards for the photo.

David Nugent · Post by **David Nugent** » 2 Feb 2006 4:28 pm

I believe Billy Cooper has one of these hanging on the wall in his shop.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 2 Feb 2006 4:45 pm

I got to play one of the PS-210's when I was in Nashville in early 72. I think it was a NAMM type show. The one Fender had there also had the seat that attached to the steel.

I didn't think much of the attachable seat but the guitar played pretty good. I had sold a Fender 2000 about a year before that and it played much better than the 2000.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 2 Feb 2006 5:00 pm

Bobby, I believe they came stock with 9 pedals which all worked on the outside neck, but only 7 worked on the inside neck. If I remember right, when you added knee levers (a max of 4), you lost floor pedals, so that the max complement of pedals was always 9. It had a 23" scale, and 20 thumbwheel tuners on the right side. One novel feature was unlimited raises and lowers, and the tuning setup was changed merely by moving screws, like the old Multi-Kords.

Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 2 Feb 2006 6:01 pm

Bobby-I think you are right. Fender dropped the ball on that one, it could have been a winner with some promotion. I was allowed to use one on a whole weekend playing om Phoenix, AZ, I played it in the store, Arizona music center in Glendale, AZ in the 70"s for about an hour and they let me take it for the weekend $1500..list price.High for that point in time, a Emmons D10 could be bought for $1000.
It sounded terrific and played easy. It was Heavy. But you could get it with 5 pedals and 4 knee levers with a switch that crossed over to the other neck, the volume went with it. I liked it and almost bought it...but.....al

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John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 2 Feb 2006 6:36 pm

I don't remember his name, but; the fellow who played steel for the Kendells played a ‘Sho-Bud’ Fender, for a while! I was close to that model in the store, but; unfortunately I never examined their undercarriage! All I remember is the typical Stingmaster Tuning~Wells and Fender 2000 Rolling~Bridge type changer. I also recall that Sho-Bud made a keyless proto~type S–10 while I was working the Opry in 1972, which had a changer on both ends of the neck. The changer on the keyless~end also was the Lowering-Mechanism and the Bridge was also the Raise-Mechanism. It was tested and played on the Opry by Hal Rugg! These were days of lots of new endeavors. Julian Thorpe got his RED Sho-Bud S–14 around that time also! It had a double~row of pedals and he used to play Danny Boy with just one hand and no Tone~Bar at all. It was all played on open-strings!
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HowardR · Post by **HowardR** » 2 Feb 2006 8:34 pm

Here's a blast from the past.....

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/003861.html

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Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 2 Feb 2006 9:29 pm

Well,,,,I thought I wanted one.After reading the old thread.I think I'd want to buy it....Well,, for cheap.

Howard,Do you own one of these? Or were you just fooling around with photo shop? I wish someone would post a shot of the undercarriage. If you'll make a shot.If you can't post it.E-mail it to me and I'll post it.

Thanks guys for educating me......bb[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 02 February 2006 at 09:30 PM.]

HowardR · Post by **HowardR** » 3 Feb 2006 4:50 am

Yes. That's mine in the photo with Gene Fields.

I did post detailed photos of the undercarriage in the past. If you do a search in Pedal Steel (you'll have to read the threads) you'll find it.