It`s happened again.WHY???

Jimmy Gibson · Post by **Jimmy Gibson** » 10 Dec 2005 1:12 am

Not sure how to explain this,some time ago i restrung my Excel steel,and put stainless strings on,and what happened was the steel would not stay or sound in tune,AND i HAD TO changed them three times before it cured the the tuning problem,WELL!! it has happened again,this time on my MSAss D10,i tune the steel open and it`s in tune,but as soon as i fret it anywhere on the neck it sounds out of tune again.

It seems to me some of the strings have more volume than than the others,so it makes the steel sound out of tune,when in fact it is in tune open,i have only had this problem with stainless steel strings,and wondered if anyone else had come accross this problem.

I cant seem to get any nickel wound sets over here at the moment,the guy i get them from says that is all he has got.

Jimmy.

richard burton · Post by **richard burton** » 10 Dec 2005 2:13 am

Jimmy,
You can get individual nickel wound strings from any music shop.
If you are using a plain sixth, it will detune slightly when other strings are raised.
Using stainless steel strings compounds this problem, as they are even more susceptible to cabinet drop than nickel.

jim milewski · Post by **jim milewski** » 10 Dec 2005 3:03 am

well your ears are not playng tricks with you, for instance an unwound sixth (and I use unwound) sharpens quicker as you go up the neck compared to other strings, try this, play the sixth open or low on the neck without beats in harmony with the fourth string, go up past the eigth fret and see how it sounds there, to my ears the sixth seems sharp. If a steel had adjustable changer intonation this would probably be cured. I even tried smoothly sanding material off a .020 plain near the nut gradually going up to cure this with only moderate results. I guess this is another aspect of tempered tuning, it is all compromise. Maybe as strings break in this problem does diminish a bit

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 10 Dec 2005 5:16 am

Jim - I've never used anything other than stainless steel strings since they first came onto the market and never once have I had an intonation issue.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 10 Dec 2005 5:29 am

I've used SS strings exclusively on my 82 Franklin D-10 - no problems.

Perhaps it's the brand of string? I bought some strings one time for my PP Emmons and they would not "Stay In Tune" or even tune - they kept stretching and stretching - and I had to remove them and go back to my regular brand.

Steven Black · Post by **Steven Black** » 10 Dec 2005 5:44 am

I had a Double 10 MSA classic with 8+4 and I tried to use stainless steel strings on it, but because the body was a full size body the strings would not tune up to well, after having the guitar left setup over night the guitar would be out of tune the next day, I took those strings off and went back to the nickel wound strings and got better results, the stainless strings do not stretch as well and can be hard on a wood body guitar if you use them, also the ball end of the string makes a difference, that is why I went to D`Addarios strings for my MSA and I used them on my Carter, they had some stretching to them.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 10 Dec 2005 5:51 am

Is this a keyless guitar, or one with tuning keys? (It sounds like your strings are slipping!)[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 10 December 2005 at 06:00 AM.]

Malcolm McMaster · Post by **Malcolm McMaster** » 10 Dec 2005 6:04 am

Jimmy, you should be able to get nickel sets from Gerry, Ted ,or Roy.I have been using Jagwires lately both nickel and Stainless,and have had no problems.If all else fails just go to your local music shop and buy individual strings.Regards Malcolm

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Curt Langston · Post by **Curt Langston** » 10 Dec 2005 7:22 am

Using stainless steel strings compounds this problem, as they are even more susceptible to cabinet drop than nickel.

Why is that?

richard burton · Post by **richard burton** » 10 Dec 2005 8:03 am

Curt,
When a stainless string is brought up to pitch, it requires less movement of the changer finger than a nickel wound string to raise it (or lower it) a half-tone (or full tone).
It therefore stands to reason that the slightest bit of axle flex will be manifestly more noticeable on a stainless string, than on a nickel string.

Jimmy Gibson · Post by **Jimmy Gibson** » 10 Dec 2005 9:52 am

Hi guys thanks for your imput,but i have been playing a long time and do know how to tune a steel guitar,all i asked was if anyone else has had this problem,because i don`t seem to have no problem with nickel wound strings,and as i said in my post this has happened before with stainless steel srings,maybe i brought a bad batch of strings.I have put another set on and hope they are better.Just to add i do not have any problems with cabinet drop,

Jimmy.[This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 10 December 2005 at 09:54 AM.]

John Sluszny · Post by **John Sluszny** » 10 Dec 2005 12:44 pm

Jimmy,which brand of strings are these?Thanks.

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 10 Dec 2005 7:24 pm

The more time you spend trying to get in perfect tune, the worse it will become! If you always tune to the same basic~pitch, very little, if any; other adjustments should be necessary!

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