Where to set up Franklin pedal?

Curt Langston · Post by **Curt Langston** » 17 Nov 2005 9:07 am

I have extra pedals and rods for my Sierra. My question is: Which side is better for the Frankilin change? 0 pedal, or 4 pedal? Thanks

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 17 Nov 2005 9:14 am

I like the "0" position. It's easier for me to just go over to the left a little and get it than it is to go to the right across pedals 2 & 3 to 4 and then back over to the 1 & 2 position. I've had it in both positions on different guitars and this is easier and quicker for me. Thanks.

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 17 Nov 2005 9:36 am

Depends if you use the Day or Emmons pedal set up.

Hook Moore · Post by **Hook Moore** » 17 Nov 2005 10:33 am

Curt I have no problem using it as the fourth pedal with the Emmons setup.
Hook

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Jeremy Moyers · Post by **Jeremy Moyers** » 17 Nov 2005 11:19 am

I prefer the 0 pedal position with the Emmons setup if a 0 position is available. I do not like it where the A pedal would normally be and everything else shifted over one position.

Steve Stallings · Post by **Steve Stallings** » 17 Nov 2005 12:18 pm

Jeremy,
I'm assuming you play Emmons setup? Is your Rains set up with this in the 0 position?
Thanks,
steve

Curt Langston · Post by **Curt Langston** » 17 Nov 2005 4:45 pm

Thanks guys for all the responses! This is a great place, is it not?

KENNY KRUPNICK · Post by **KENNY KRUPNICK** » 17 Nov 2005 10:04 pm

Split it,and put it on 2 knee levers that can be pushed at the same time.

John Sluszny · Post by **John Sluszny** » 18 Nov 2005 1:53 am

...or keep one pedal ("0" or "4") for the B's->A's change (I like that change by itself) and a KL for the G#->F# change...[This message was edited by John Sluszny on 18 November 2005 at 12:21 PM.][This message was edited by John Sluszny on 18 November 2005 at 12:35 PM.]

Jeremy Moyers · Post by **Jeremy Moyers** » 18 Nov 2005 8:57 am

Steve,

It is not in the 0 position. I thought that it was going to be but when I got the guitar it was where the A pedal goes and the others shifted down one. I have gotten use to this but it makes it really strange to go back and forth between guitars. Unless bob does it on a special order basis I do not believe that you can get a 0 position on the Rains. From looking at the underside of the guitar I do not see how it would be possible.

I do play emmons setup.

Jeremy

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 18 Nov 2005 10:26 am

When I ordered my new Williams, I had Bill set it up for the 0 pedal. (I have the Emmons set up). However, I just couldn't get used to it there so I moved it to pedal number 4. I guess it's maybe a case of teaching old dogs new tricks.

Erv

FWIW: I believe that when the Franklin pedal is put to the left of the "A" pedal, everything is moved to the right and is now considered the "0" pedal, am I correct?[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 18 November 2005 at 10:29 AM.]

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 18 Nov 2005 4:26 pm

And I always thought that since Paul put it on #4 that that is where it belonged! How could I have been so wrong?

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David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 18 Nov 2005 10:32 pm

I used it as Emmons P4 for awhile,
but was very glad when I moved it to P0,
and have never looked back.

I can add "a touch" of A pedal too it sometimes too as a passing chord thing.

When recording things with it at p4, I tended to not get it smooth,
but on P0 I did use it effectively. So that settled the question for me.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 18 November 2005 at 10:34 PM.]

Jim Peters · Post by **Jim Peters** » 19 Nov 2005 6:02 am

It is position 0 on my GFI, but I still don't hardly ever use it. JP

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 19 Nov 2005 10:44 am

At first I had the 1st. & 2nd. string Raise in the (0)-position on my Emmons Setup, but; I hardly ever used it! Since I put that change on the KL that Lowers str.6, I use it quite a bit more! So, I guess you have to place your changes where they are the most accessable for the amount of use they are going to get! But, having the Emmons setup moved to the Right was also a lot more comfortable for my playing! So, you never know until you try it! The standard positionong for an SD-10 Derby is with pedal-position (#1 Empty) That puts P-1, P-2, & P-3 in #2, #3, #4 positions, which is quite comfortable! Then you can add the FP on either side you wish, if you want that change at all¡

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Roger Edgington · Post by **Roger Edgington** » 19 Nov 2005 11:17 am

I have it on pedal 4 but I don't like it there. Maybe I just don't use it enough to be comfortable with it. If your foot catches pedal 3 at all it is pretty nasty. I can't do it fast enough with accuracy. Practice? Me?

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 19 Nov 2005 11:55 am

Roger - That's why I have my 4th pedal set about 3/4's of an inch higher than the 2nd and 3rd pedals. It makes for any easy "target".

Lee

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 19 Nov 2005 12:38 pm

Paul put it where it made most sense for HIM.
That doesn't mean it's best there for everyone. I have it in the position to the left of the A pedal (Emmons config) on one guitar, split into one pedal and one lever (G# to F# on lever; B to A on P4) and only half of it (G# to F# only -- no B to A) on my third guitar.

I like it split the best, giving the G# to F# and B's to A's separately -- with one change on a lever and the other on a pedal.

Paul gets the G# to F# separately by doing it 'backwards'. He raises F# to G# on 7 and lowers by releasing the lever to get the G# to F# in combination with the unchanged 5th string, for example. I use G# to F# alone a lot and like to have it on a separate lever.

Tommy White has them split and, as I recall, has both on levers. He has B to A on his LKV and a half-stop to get B to Bb. With G# to F# on his right knee, he can use both together or either separately.

There have been many discussions on these changes, where to put them, and how to use them. Do a search by clicking on the 'Search' link below 'Add a Reply' in the upper right corner of this page, and settle back for a long lesson.

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Tyler Hall · Post by **Tyler Hall** » 29 Nov 2005 8:13 am

I lower 5 and 6 a whole on my LKV, and lower my B's on RKR. Works pretty good.

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John Poston · Post by **John Poston** » 29 Nov 2005 9:18 am

Jim,

I had it on pedal 0 on my GFI and didn't use it much either. Since you already have everything moved over one, try lowering G#s to G or raising string 6 G# to A# there.

Or try something really crazy and in a few years we'll all be asking where to put the 'Peters' pedal.

Jim Peters · Post by **Jim Peters** » 29 Nov 2005 11:42 am

Would that be raising or lowering the..... never mind!

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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 29 Nov 2005 1:25 pm

I had it on Ped 4 and got accustomed to it..all it took was seat time.
but

my new Steel is due anytime now and the 4th pedal is at the 0 pedal..so I giess I have to start all over again !

I am thinking that 0 Ped is probably where it should be...it took a bit to get used to crossing over the C pedal correctly..

without playing to much JAZZ in the middle of a country ballad...if ya know what I mean...