Promat at Bobbe`s Sgn

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 22 Jul 2005 5:13 pm

once in awhile somehow Bobbe manages to get hold of these custom handbuild instruments.I have two on order (one almost done) and still can`t get used to the way these guitars sound and look.I love them, the way they feel,look and sound.I can`t wait to get mine.

D-10 Promat

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"Promat"
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http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 22 Jul 2005 6:47 pm

Yes Damir, This is as incredible a guitar as I have ever heard or played. It obvious that this builder is really interested in building a work of art. He has taken the greatest sounding guitar in the world and improved it. Hearing is the only way this statement can be proven. And it is here for the proving.
Truly unbelieveable to see and hear. Craftsmanship from the old continent.

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 22 Jul 2005 7:40 pm

I have some pictures of this guitar I would like to show.This is the same guitar that is at the Bobbe`s SGN right now.

guitar is equiped with Jerry Wallace TT 16.5 Kohm and top of the line Grover Kluson "speed winder" key heads.Tuners are designed so that top of the string will not scratch the body of the guitar and they make possible to change the string fast.About Jerry Wallace TT pick ups is no need to talk about,they are the best money can buy.100% Hand made..as is the guitar they are on.

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"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 22 July 2005 at 08:52 PM.]

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 22 Jul 2005 7:44 pm

also,this is a SD-10 that is owned by Allan from Scotland.

SD-10 Promat

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"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 23 Jul 2005 12:08 am

This is certainly a nice guitar. Is the undercarriage similar to the p/p undercarriage as far as the way it's built and the parts. Expensive but nice. Does it come in other colors than black. Not being cute or negative here, I'm just curious because black is the only color I've ever seen the Promats in. I like the guitar.

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 23 Jul 2005 3:53 am

BEAUTIFUL fretboards!!!

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 23 Jul 2005 6:18 am

It's nice to be able to have something to copy.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 23 Jul 2005 7:28 am

Yep, and Paul Bigsby was the guy!

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 23 Jul 2005 9:14 am

I just got back from SGN.Played this guitar and it looks and sounds amazing.
Billy,you can get your Promat in other color than black.I have on order one black, cut back with 16.5 TT Kohm and one mahagony/maple with fat back body with 18 TT Kohm combination.Black one is almost done.Undercariage is 100% push pull mechanism.Positive stops,tight and solid.

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"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

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Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 23 Jul 2005 9:36 am

Thanks.

Mike Archer · Post by **Mike Archer** » 23 Jul 2005 9:52 am

very nice looking steel
i can almost hear the tone in my head
but for a poor boy like me
the price is out of reach
so for me ill just play my skh emmons
and my sd10 push pull and be very happy
and feel blessed that i have um
mike

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 24 Jul 2005 7:45 pm

Damir,

This looks looks beautiful, just awesome!! But it looks identical to my push pull Emmons. Did someone put the wrong label on it?????

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 25 Jul 2005 1:31 pm

That's the only thing they couldn't copy!

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 31 Jul 2005 6:21 pm

got few questions about this instrument.I don`t have one for sale and it takes a few months to get one after you put in your order.The one Bobbe has is available right away and is brand new and looks and sounds amazing.Bobbe can answer all the questions better than me.To all who sent emails, thank you for your interest in this guitar.

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to my knowledge this is the only Promat for sale in US at this time

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"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 31 July 2005 at 07:24 PM.]

Ray Uhl · Post by **Ray Uhl** » 31 Jul 2005 9:21 pm

Beautiful guitar!!! How much does it weight?Same as old 67 Emmons?? I know this is petty, but I'm a fanatic about detail. IMHO, I think the name plate would look much better centered, where Emmons has theirs. (Sorry, folks, not trying to get picky). I wish someone would play one in St. Louis this year.

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 1 Aug 2005 1:25 pm

Great looking guitar - shame about the $2 name plate !!

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 1 Aug 2005 1:29 pm

" IMHO, I think the name plate would look much better centered, where Emmons has theirs."

Yeah, but then folks would think this was just an Emmons copy...

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 1 Aug 2005 1:52 pm

Really!

Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 1 Aug 2005 2:20 pm

ALWAYS been told if you can;t say nothing good don't say nothing!!!! farris

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 1 Aug 2005 4:38 pm

I`m sure Emmons name plate costs much more than $2.Hell,how about the Emmons guitars with the sticker,`65 or `66 bolt on are famous for a notoriously bad tone right,I`m sure if they had a more expencive stickers they would sound much better?Or maybe no name at all?

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maybe $200 will make you sound and play much better?Yeah,that`s it,we got it now,it is not in the players hands and his knowledge of the instrument,the secret is in the name plate.you get a nice name plate made of 14 carat gold and you can play and sound like Buddy...wow,every day man learns something new on here

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"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

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Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 1 Aug 2005 5:00 pm

Yeah, but then folks would think this was just an Emmons copy...

and they would be right.PROMAT is a copy of the push pull Emmons.It has complitly different meassurments and non-interchangeble parts with an Emmons tho.And it does look,play and has tone better than a push pull Emmons.Where Emmons stopped with push pull guitars PROMAT continued.And is making push pull guitars superior to original Emmons.Now,to find that out,someone would have to actualy play one,and the one at Bobbes SGN is the one that can be played.Well,now after we made clear that Promat is an Emmons copy,what else is that we can talk about here?

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"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

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Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 1 Aug 2005 5:58 pm

Really, Damir surely you jest!!! A Promut Better than an Emmons - designed by the great Buddy Emmons.
You must be crazy!!

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 1 Aug 2005 7:16 pm

have you ever played one?If yes than I respect your opinion and thank you for it,if not than sorry to tell you,but you have no clue what you`re talking about.

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"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html

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Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 1 Aug 2005 9:08 pm

Hello Damir, not trying to get into the middle of anything here but I really do like the Promat. With this guitar are the tuning problems pretty much gone that the old p/p's were known for. One more thing and I'll get out this conversation. Are there any booklets or reading information available about the Promats. I enjoy reading about different guitars and try to learn everything I can about each one. Thanks.

Per Berner · Post by **Per Berner** » 1 Aug 2005 10:53 pm

Here’s how I see it:

The Promat is obviously a direct replica of a push-pull Emmons, down to the very last detail, though probably made to the nearest equivalent metric measurements. The resulting non-interchangeability of parts hardly makes it ”completely different”. As it is, the only original input on the guitar is the nameplate, and that one is really no improvement! I think Promat should at least make a token effort towards originality by using a fretboard design of their own.

As a total replica, it would be a big surprise if it performed noticeably better (or worse) than the original. Not much room for improvement with an identical design. Unless maybe with closer tolerances than the original, which I doubt could be achieved by a small workshop in Croatia.

The original sounds great (mine does anyway), and the Promat should be expected to sound just about the same, with individual variations caused by differences in the pieces of wood in each guitar. It might very well feel more solid and precise, and be easier to keep in tune than an Emmons p/p, but then you’re comparing a brand new guitar with something that’s seen 25-40 years of wear.

I am sure the Promat is a well-crafted, very good sounding guitar (which it had better be at $6,000 or more), and I would certainly not mind having one. But why buy a metric replica (=totally dependent on one single Croatian source for spares), when there are originals in superb condition (minters as well as beautifully refurbished ones) available for less money? A copy can never, ever be worth more than the real thing.

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´75 Emmons p/p D10 8+4, '96 Emmons Legrande II D10 8+5, Peavey Nashville 1000