Is the Day setup an eastern thing?

Jerry Hayes R.I.P. · Post by **Jerry Hayes R.I.P.** » 16 Jun 2005 9:14 am

I was thinking about my old playing days on the West Coast the other day and it seems that almost to a man, the players in California played the Emmons setup on the A & B pedals. Since moving to Virginia it seems like most of the players I've met in Virginia and North Carolina play the "Day" way. Is this my imagination or what?....JH in Va.

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Bill Simmons · Post by **Bill Simmons** » 16 Jun 2005 9:50 am

There are a lot of excellent players who use the "Day" setup such as Weldon Myrick -- Tommy White -- Johnny Cox --Joan Cox -- Corky Owens (Gene Watson)...

Jerry Hayes R.I.P. · Post by **Jerry Hayes R.I.P.** » 16 Jun 2005 10:33 am

Hal Rugg, Jeff Newman, Kenny Dail, Clyde Mattocks, Rick Mann.........JH in Va.

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[This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 16 June 2005 at 11:34 AM.]

Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 16 Jun 2005 10:57 am

Rusty Young from Colorado...

Ben Slaughter · Post by **Ben Slaughter** » 16 Jun 2005 11:45 am

Most of the guys I know play Day, Jim Baron, Larry Petree, Paul Dobbs... In fact, I feel like I'm in the minority playing Emmons. I've even though about switching.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 16 Jun 2005 11:58 am

There are a lot of Day players in California. Jim Baron and Rich Sinkler are two that come to mind. Doesn't JayDee use the Day setup too?

Andy Greatrix · Post by **Andy Greatrix** » 16 Jun 2005 12:36 pm

Also, Steve Smith from Canada plays a Day setup.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 16 Jun 2005 2:08 pm

All except one in our Florida Steel Guitar Club that have played at jams use the Emmons set up.

Neither setup is "wrong" or better than the other.

Roger Crawford · Post by **Roger Crawford** » 16 Jun 2005 3:54 pm

I always thought the Day set up was a Texas thing! Look at all the players named that are there or from there. Just a thought.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 16 Jun 2005 4:09 pm

You mean there's another way to set up the pedals?

I play Day.

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Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 16 Jun 2005 4:12 pm

I use the Emmons setup cos I mostly play at NIGHT !!!

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 16 Jun 2005 4:50 pm

I plays Emmons cause that's what I started with and never saw any reason to switch.
I don't know if it's typical of the region, but I'd say at least 90% of our Steel Guitar club plays Day set-up.

bob drawbaugh · Post by **bob drawbaugh** » 16 Jun 2005 5:02 pm

No, the day setup is not easier. I play the day setup because so many play the Emmons setup and I don't want anyone to play my guitar.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 16 Jun 2005 5:18 pm

I'm also a California Day player. I think JayDee uses the Emmons setup ...[This message was edited by Barry Blackwood on 16 June 2005 at 06:19 PM.]

Stephen Dorocke · Post by **Stephen Dorocke** » 16 Jun 2005 5:31 pm

....it's Day-time in Chi.

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 16 Jun 2005 5:59 pm

So how come so many of you guys are DAY players, can't you get a nighttime gig ?

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 16 Jun 2005 8:58 pm

I think they play the ‘Day Setup’, because; John Hughey does! I didn't realize that until about (2)-wks. ago!

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Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 16 Jun 2005 9:12 pm

I changed over from the Emmons to the Day about 30 years ago and found it to fit my preference.

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 16 Jun 2005 11:54 pm

I started out with the Day set up on my p/p. In the late 70's I switched over to the Emmons set up. I think it was because I could move my left foot quicker to the outside to help with fast licks, etc. It's been so long ago but I think that's right.

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 16 Jun 2005 11:58 pm

My answer to your Q about the "eastern" thing? I think it's probably 50/50 anywhere you go. Or at least where I've been it's that way. Good subject!

Per Berner · Post by **Per Berner** » 17 Jun 2005 12:49 am

Actually, I believe the Day setup is (in theory) easier when sneaking up on, or using only "half", the A-pedal - you can bend your ankle inwards much further and easier than outwards.

That said, I tried the Day setup just after I got my first pro steel in 1980, long before I was set in my ways, but soon changed back.

Nowadays, my 'bud has the Day setup, which is a bit confusing...

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Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 17 Jun 2005 2:13 am

There have been polls on the forum about which way and the majority is Emmons. I don't recall any one area of the country being primarily one type.

thurlon hopper · Post by **thurlon hopper** » 17 Jun 2005 2:59 am

Jack you are from Pa. and you know that we call the Day set-up the Keystone set-up. When i took my P/P to Tom Vollmer to change it over he said you want the Keystone set-up. Actually My Marlen came with the Day set-up and i never tried the Emmons very much. Matter of preference. TJH

Jerry Hayes R.I.P. · Post by **Jerry Hayes R.I.P.** » 17 Jun 2005 9:58 am

How would you class my hero Ralph Mooney? I think he's got his G# strings split and one on each side of his B to C# pedal. Would he be a Daymons or an Em-day or something like that? I think that the majority of the lightning fast players with maybe the exception of Tommy White play the Emmons way including Doug Jernigan, (The late) Jimmy Crawford, Paul Franklin, Russ Hicks, etc. After starting this thread I didn't realize how may Day players there were on the west coast, I just didn't ever remember meeting any while I lived out there. Are there any brands of steel guitar which come standard with a Day setup? I know the old ShoBuds, Emmons, MSA's, etc all came with the Emmons pedals.......JH in Va.

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Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 17 Jun 2005 9:45 pm

B0B, Jay Dee uses the Emmons setup on his pedals and the Day on his Knee Levers. How he does it, is amazing. But then, Jay Dee is amazing.