1/2 stop on LKV

Jay Jessup · Post by **Jay Jessup** » 15 Apr 2005 6:58 am

Has anybody tried this with any success? It doesn't seem like it would be very easy to use with your left leg floating in the air.
I have been fooling a extra LKL that just lowers the B (5'th string) a whole tone and most of the licks I have found that sound cool with this also involve lowering the E's which I can't get to while using the outside LKL. Like most I lower both B's to Bb on LKV and was wondering if a 1/2 stop on this would be a practical solution? I think it is good to have the B to A change separated from the G# to F# lower so I am not willing to try the Franklin pedal approach just yet and I have something else I am used to on pedal 4.

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 15 Apr 2005 9:20 am

You could do like Tommy White does and lower B's on a side-to-side lever with a half stop and lower G# to F# on the vertical, split with the B pedal. You do need to have the changes on opposing knees to use them together. I have seen a half stop used on a vertical before, but it's much more difficult to contrl than on a left or right moving lever.

Another issue is being able to use both with the Eb lever. Tommy has Eb's on LKL (Day setup) and G# to F# on LKV, with B to Bb and A on RKL. Assuming you can hit LKL and LKV together (usually possible on most guitars I've played), his is an excellent choice for locating these three changes.

Hope this doesn't muddy the waters further.

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Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 16 Apr 2005 1:36 am

I tried it on a vertical on my C6th neck raising string 3 to C# and then to D. It didn't work very well. Too hard to feel the half stop. I took it off and only raise the string to C#.

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Jay Jessup · Post by **Jay Jessup** » 17 Apr 2005 6:15 am

I expect you guys are right but I am going to give it a shot anyway if I can figure out a way to make the low B a stiff enough change at the right place to make a 1/2 stop out of it. The Tommy White solution might work, never thought of putting the G# to F# on a vertical?

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 17 Apr 2005 9:27 am

Jay, add a repetitive 1/2 tone raise change to the C6 neck,but use the back neck half of the E9 LKV x-shaft for the activating 1/2 tone bellcrank on C6. Tune the 1/2 tuner for your Bb note on the E9-simple,but effective. Id be happy to supply you with any parts you need.

Jay Jessup · Post by **Jay Jessup** » 18 Apr 2005 7:05 am

Thanks Mike, that does sound simple, here I was trying to figure out what holes to put the low B to Bb change in to make 5'th string B to Bb stop at just the right place. I think I have the parts to do it. Appreciate the help.

Jay Jessup · Post by **Jay Jessup** » 19 Apr 2005 5:34 am

Mike, it worked, this was on my 94 Zum which uses those pinned pull rods and I didn't have any the right length so a MCI bell crank and pull rod came to the rescue. I put the half stop on the C6'th 5'th string and used the third bell crank slot up from the cross shaft and put it in the raise whole closest to the changer axle, is this the best place to get the most positive stop feel? When checking it with my hand it provides a real positive stop but when actually using my knee it's pretty easy to blow past it, which is sort of what I expected actually.

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 19 Apr 2005 5:48 am

Jay, keep experimentimg with changer/crank holes to get the desired feel,or you can now try using the string 10 lower(e9)to stiffen it a bit more, as you originally proposed. Even on a p/p the 2nd string 1/2 feel is buttressed by the 9th string 1/2 tone lower(D to C#). Good luck.[This message was edited by Mike Cass on 19 April 2005 at 06:51 AM.]