Anyone drop/raise E's on the right knee?

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 11 Apr 2005 1:48 pm

Or am I the only one??/ I drop my E's 1/2 w/RkR and raise them 1/2 w/RkL... I know thats a dinosaur that was only factory on old MSA guitars... Anyone else do this or am I all alone in the world ?! I can't play anyone else's steel because of this... I feel like a fish on a cutting board on any other set up..... bob

Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 11 Apr 2005 1:50 pm

Well, here's one dinosaur that still drops 'em on RKR but I raise a couple of them a whole tone on RKL. Have to do that sometimes and it works fine for me.

ophred

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Dustin Rigsby · Post by **Dustin Rigsby** » 11 Apr 2005 1:54 pm

I lower my E's on RKL,but raise them on LKR

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Jim West · Post by **Jim West** » 11 Apr 2005 1:54 pm

I lower the E's with RKL. I'm thinking about going to a universal setup so it might have to go on the left.

Jim Hankins · Post by **Jim Hankins** » 11 Apr 2005 2:04 pm

Thats the way I do mine Bob, but for U12, which is included for the most requested U12 copendant setup from Carter.

Billy Wilson · Post by **Billy Wilson** » 11 Apr 2005 2:07 pm

Tom Bradshaw always sets up my guitars that way. E's to Eb RKL. E's to F RKR. This MSA is set up universal now but I'm goona have Tom put a C6th neck on there with thoes two changes on the same Knees. Only now it's C to B RKL and C to c# RKR

Ricky Littleton · Post by **Ricky Littleton** » 11 Apr 2005 2:35 pm

My Emmons S-10 did. RKL E-F, RKR E-D#.

Ricky

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Gord Cole · Post by **Gord Cole** » 11 Apr 2005 2:40 pm

On my Universal I lower my E's on RKL,and raise them on LKR.
Cheers.
Gord

Michael Barone · Post by **Michael Barone** » 11 Apr 2005 3:14 pm

My Sho-Bud Pro-1 is like yours Bob. When I bought it long ago it only had 2 knee levers, those two, RKL E to Eb, RKR E to F. Since then I put on 2 more knee levers. I'm adding a 5th pedal right now to lower both E strings to D.

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Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 11 Apr 2005 3:34 pm

I raise with RKR and lower with RKL.

Billy Easton [This message was edited by Billy Easton on 11 April 2005 at 04:35 PM.]

Ray Rasmussen · Post by **Ray Rasmussen** » 11 Apr 2005 3:51 pm

Same as Billy Easton.

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 11 Apr 2005 3:52 pm

I guess its a little more common than I thought,but I'm still ass backward as I lower on RkR and raise on RkL,and everyone else does the opposite.. I'm a little surprised.. So many guys had MSA guitars and yet everyone switched away from standard MSA knee set up.... bob

John Daugherty · Post by **John Daugherty** » 11 Apr 2005 4:16 pm

Bob, it is not as uncommon as you suspect. My Marlen U12 was set up for Jeff Newman and the Es are same as yours. lower w/RKR , raise w/RKL.
This makes it easy to go to B6 tuning by holding RKR. Jeff did not like to use a B6 lock. I like a lock,so I had Leonard Stadler add one.

Bill Llewellyn · Post by **Bill Llewellyn** » 11 Apr 2005 4:23 pm

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 11 Apr 2005 5:15 pm

Bill... You PLAY an MSA and left it the way the factory MADE it!!!.. Many have been changed.... Yours,mine and a few others around here remained unaltered... bob

Roual Ranes · Post by **Roual Ranes** » 11 Apr 2005 5:24 pm

We are not alone. Go to entry page of the Forum and click on the green link at the top. All the other people are just backwards because of Buddy and Jimmy. I tried it on the LK but I am too short from the crotch to the knee to make it work and it pulls my foot off the pedals.

Bob Hayes · Post by **Bob Hayes** » 11 Apr 2005 5:34 pm

My set up is what Buddy Charelton had or gave me way back when I got my 1st D10 Sho Bud..RKL to drop the E's..I have a Carter D12 now ..but Basicly the same set up..it's hard to relearn!!!
Grouchy

Mike Wheeler · Post by **Mike Wheeler** » 11 Apr 2005 6:10 pm

Yep, cut my steel teeth on a good, ole' MSA U12 in '71. RKL=E to Eb, RKR=E to F. Haven't done any different for over 34 years...and with 6 different U12s![This message was edited by Mike Wheeler on 11 April 2005 at 07:12 PM.]

Bill Llewellyn · Post by **Bill Llewellyn** » 11 Apr 2005 6:24 pm

Bill... You PLAY an MSA and left it the way the factory MADE it!!!

Yes! And my U12 even went through a rebuild by its first owner, Tom Bradshaw, done for its owner at the time, and it kept the copedent. I kinda like it.

But then, I'm a perpetual neophyte on this instrument and haven't had the impetus to try other knee lever arrangements. [This message was edited by Bill Llewellyn on 11 April 2005 at 07:25 PM.]

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 11 Apr 2005 6:27 pm

Bill.. I've heard your playing... your "neophyte" days are in the distant past... bob

Mike Shockley · Post by **Mike Shockley** » 11 Apr 2005 6:30 pm

Bob, I've been lowering my e's with rkl and raising with rkr since my 1st psg in 1966, and wouldn't change it at all.---Mike

John McClung · Post by **John McClung** » 11 Apr 2005 6:37 pm

Bob, like many others on this thread, I grew up on MSA's, with E's down on RKR, E's up on RKL. I've tried other guitars quite a bit where those changes go on the left leg, but I find the following:

that really makes that left leg super busy. The ergonomics make sense, but I'm ALWAYS using E's up and down, and the rest are used much more occasionally. So I like the work my body has to do to be more balanced, which it is in my setup.

I commonly use E>F and pedal 2 for a II chord 3 frets down from open, and that's a real twist with today's common setup.

I also think there's a real advantage with those two most-used changes on the right knee, which you can then use in combo with a cluster of left KL's. With either E up or down KL, I can use any one of the 4 left KL's I have on my Mullen. I can even hit a hanging left KL and the left vertical, along with either right KL, for the maximum number of combinations. This just isn't possible with both E changes on the left.

There are still awkward moves on mine, there's no way to avoid that on any copedent with as many KL's as we're packing on these days. I note from the Mesa and Dallas shows that for most pro's, 8+8 is very common. It's nice having options, but sure gets tricky to play at times!

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Les Green · Post by **Les Green** » 11 Apr 2005 7:05 pm

Bob,
I have the same set-up as you. I had my new MSA set-up that way in 1973. Been doing it that way every since. I bought a used S10 MSA last year which had them both on the left knee. Tried it that way fro a couple of months. Never could get used to it so I switched them.[This message was edited by les green on 11 April 2005 at 11:56 PM.]

Harley Morris · Post by **Harley Morris** » 11 Apr 2005 7:08 pm

Bob: I use the same exact set up on my Es as well, and can't figure out why anyone would have them anywhere else.. Regards, Harley

Klaus Caprani · Post by **Klaus Caprani** » 11 Apr 2005 11:36 pm

I drop the E's on RKL and raise them on LKL.

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