Copedant Changes...Thanks guys

Don Poland · Post by **Don Poland** » 12 Apr 2005 9:48 pm

I just want to thank Ricky Davis and "Big Chief" Shannon for the help with my copedant changes. Without you guys help, I'm not sure I would know what I was doing. As most of you know when I bought my PSG it was in desperate need of some changes. Ricky and Fred were kind enough to lend me some of their expertise when doing the changes.

I have posted a copy of my OLD and my NEW copedants so you all can see what changes I had to make. This was a much smoother transaction than I had anticipated due to their help.

While making the changes I found what I think is some worn parts. Not sure what these are called but I have posted a picture on my site also. They are the barrels or cylinders under the nylon tuning nut. Can these be simply turned over so that the worn side is not coming into contact with the changer?

Thanks for everyones help, especially Ricky and Fred. The members of this forum are an example to what all forums net-wide should be like. I can not thank you guys enough for helping me get past my learning curve

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[This message was edited by Don Poland on 12 April 2005 at 10:54 PM.]

Bobby Bowman · Post by **Bobby Bowman** » 12 Apr 2005 10:04 pm

For the barrell spacers,,,yes,,,just flip 'em end to end.
BB

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Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 13 Apr 2005 6:28 am

If determination and meticulous planning are characteristics of being a "knock your hat in the creek" steeler, this cat qualifies. I've spent a couple of hours conversing with Don and he's got a fire in his belly.

Funny, I gave up instructing a year ago, but when a teacher meets an individual with so much desire, it immediately brings back that old 'wish I could help more' feeling. I betcha' this guy is gonna' ask a million questions and each query will be to better his playing. Give him a go, check out his website, and for heaven's sake hang in there with him. (Just like the good Doctor Bobby Bowman just posted.)

phred

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[This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 13 April 2005 at 07:30 AM.]

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 13 Apr 2005 8:10 am

Don, while the picture you posted indicates wear on the spacer, it's not usually a serious problem. However, you should investigate why it's happening. As Bobby said, it's easy enough just to flip the spacer, but that doesn't really correct the problem.

Normally, that problem is caused by rods that aren't pulling in a straight line. (It often happens on rods that are bent to go around a puller). Anytime a rod is bent, and then pulled, or it's pulling at an angle, the end near the changer will move not only in and out (like it's supposed to), but also sideways or up and down. This movement then causes the spacer to rub against the end-plate, or against another finger, and that causes this wear pattern. While a very small amount of up and down movement is normal, it seldom causes the serious wear you're experiencing. Watch the rod ends at the changer as you press the pedals, and you'll see which rods are moving in the wrong directions, and then you can attempt to correct the problem. (On certain guitars, it can also be caused by very long pedal moves, and that's not always correctable without increasing the pedal effort.)

At any rate, eliminating the cause of the wear may give you a smoother pedal action, and thats certainly a plus!

Don Poland · Post by **Don Poland** » 13 Apr 2005 9:05 am

Bobby, thanks for your reply. I thought I might be able to flip them but was unsure if they had that indent from the factory or it was worn that much. I was reading your webpage last night when I got done making changes and it was enjoyable reading to say the least

Fred, you old dog, I can't thank you enough for taking the time and talking me thru the necessary changes I had to make. I really do appreciate all the terrific info available right here on this forum. You guys are GREAT!!

Donny, I did find that most of the rods were pulling at a slight angle when I started checking things out under the PSG. I have made a LOT of corrections along with the changes I had to make. This axe is 31 years old and there ain't no tellin' how long things were out of kilter under there!!

I used someones advise here(forgot who it was) and turned my guitar up on end and allowed the rods to hang straight when making adjustments to the rods. It worked really well and allowed me to see just how far out of alignment everything was.

Thanks to everyone

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1974 MSA D10 7+4
If you ain't steelin' it, you ain't feelin' it !!

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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 13 Apr 2005 9:31 am

Don, your new copedent makes a lot more sense than the old one. There's a lot of music in those changes. It should serve you well.

Don Poland · Post by **Don Poland** » 13 Apr 2005 9:52 am

Don, your new copedent makes a lot more sense than the old one. There's a lot of music in those changes. It should serve you well.

Thanks Fred

Sorry Bobby, this was a joke. This is the copedant that Fred suggested. I looked at it along with some others and decided on this one.

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If you ain't steelin' it, you ain't feelin' it !!

www.steelin4fun.com

[This message was edited by Don Poland on 13 April 2005 at 04:03 PM.]