E9 Fretboard note map?

Bob Smith · Post by **Bob Smith** » 18 Jan 2005 3:10 pm

Is there a fretboard reference map thats shows all the notes at their intersection with each fret? Ive seen them for 6 string guitar and was wondering if anyone makes one for E9 steel guitar. Thankyou Bob

Jim Palenscar · Post by **Jim Palenscar** » 18 Jan 2005 3:27 pm

Therer are several computer programs out there that will display each note at each fret depending on what pedals/levers are engaged- Clic Tab is one that comes to mind first

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 18 Jan 2005 3:33 pm

Make your own. You'll learn a lot just by doing that.

If you don't know where to start, tell us.
We'll help you get there.

Once you have it, circle all the C, E, and G notes .
That's a C Major chord. Thing will start to click.
Then repeat for other chords and scales.

Jay Fagerlie · Post by **Jay Fagerlie** » 18 Jan 2005 4:28 pm

Bob,
Do a search for "Guitar Map".
A wonderful program developed by a forum member
Great stuff

Jay

Bob Smith · Post by **Bob Smith** » 18 Jan 2005 6:30 pm

Thanks for the help fellas, I guess what i want is something like the true size of the neck, that i can hang above my music stand for a quick reference while practicing or while playing at home. In other words a no pedals version of the E9 neck. Thanks bob

Sonny Priddy · Post by **Sonny Priddy** » 18 Jan 2005 7:36 pm

Jeff Newman Had Some Out That You Just Layed On The Frett Bord. For All The Cords . Don't Know If Farn Still Has Them Or Not. SONNY.

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Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 18 Jan 2005 9:29 pm

Bob;
You should make one yourself...

get some posterboard, a sharpie and a ruler and go to town...

IMO

Travis Bernhardt · Post by **Travis Bernhardt** » 19 Jan 2005 12:07 am

Yes, if you need one like you describe, you're going to have to make it yourself. And it will be well worth it.

-Travis

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 19 Jan 2005 8:28 am

so true. I have made my own fret maps for my PSG and my lap steels. since I have different tunings for each instrument having those little references really help. the best part is learning by making your own. hands on all the way.

Johnny Baldwin · Post by **Johnny Baldwin** » 19 Jan 2005 10:40 am

Bob, here's the link to the "guitar map" program from the archives.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum4/HTML/002744.html

[This message was edited by Johnny Baldwin on 19 January 2005 at 10:41 AM.]

Bob Smith · Post by **Bob Smith** » 20 Jan 2005 6:10 am

Alright you guys talked me into it , im gonna make one of thes myself. Gonna try to make it so maybe i can lay it under the strings, and use it that way too. Thanks again, Bob

Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 20 Jan 2005 7:19 am

Bob, Johnny Baldwin has the answer. I use Abolins guitar map all the time when teaching. Pretty user friendly too.

fred

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John Bresler R.I.P. · Post by **John Bresler R.I.P.** » 20 Jan 2005 8:54 am

There's a free fretboard lesson at www.pedalsteelguitar.net that will help a lot, also. It's color coded and includes pedals. It's on Dick Meis' webb page.[This message was edited by John Bresler on 20 January 2005 at 08:55 AM.]

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 20 Jan 2005 3:47 pm

Bob, I used a scrap piece of clear plastic from Home Depot that was cut down to size to fit under the strings & on top of my fretboard.

Write on it with a marker - notes, patterns, etc. Works fairly well.

Travis Bernhardt · Post by **Travis Bernhardt** » 20 Jan 2005 4:15 pm

I don't really recommend sticking it on the fretboard, but if you're going to do that, you can buy a couple of sheets of the transparent stuff you put on overhead projectors from an office supply store.

-Travis

Robert Porri · Post by **Robert Porri** » 21 Jan 2005 7:51 am

These are just some thoughts I think are related to this topic. Not given with any this is better than something else intention. I'm not there yet, but I was wondering about the value of just doing some real grunt work and memorizing a string at a time rather than using a chart. In my own case, knowing the 6 string guitar neck pretty well, as far as the PSG E9 neck goes, half the work is already done. The 2 E strings, the 2 B strings, and the D string are already there. I'm using stupid little crutches to help memorize the other strings like the 2 F# strings (1st and 7th) being 2 frets below what they are on the E strings. I'm using something like that for the other 3 strings also. I'm hoping after working on this like this for a little time each day, that the need for a chart or whatever would not be needed. In my case, I'm using songs that have a lot of chord changes and just playing the roots on each string for some time each day. I'm finding I'm having to think less and it's becoming more automatic. So it seems to be working. Maybe this is an unfair expectation if someone has no other string instrument experience. I'm just wondering how much a chart would end up being relied on over the years as opposed to memorizing the fretboard from the start. I guess that's the ultimate purpose of a temporary use of the chart too.

Bob P.

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 21 Jan 2005 8:08 am

Robert,
You are sooooo right, about the grunt work.
You are on the right track, the way you described the strings relationships, and learning them by relating how they relate to other strings.

Drawing a chart will teach you these relationships.
Then when you sit down at your guitar it will be reinforced. A student should draw many charts. They can just be on scrap paper, nothing fancy.

At first, it's easist to label the notes one string at a time.
After you have that down, draw same charts, filling in all strings at the same fret, before going onto the next fret.

I suspect the actual charts will be seldom used after you make them. The knowledge you gained will be used for the rest of your playing lifetime.[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 21 January 2005 at 09:38 AM.]

Joey Aguilera · Post by **Joey Aguilera** » 21 Jan 2005 1:06 pm

I have been using Bob Hoffnar's intonation cd for a couple of months now and sometimes instead of working on intonation I just use the drones to find the different positions of the notes around the neck. Scratch that, I guess when I do this I am still working on intonation but anway ...

So if I cue up an A drone, I can move around the neck and strings finding all the A's, or finding all the different positions of various A chords.

Bob Smith · Post by **Bob Smith** » 21 Jan 2005 2:53 pm

Rob and Joe, Those were my thoughts also, to memorize the notes by sight on each string. I also know a 6 string neck pretty good but im usually baffled when staring down at an E9 neck , to some extent anyhow. Bob

Robert Porri · Post by **Robert Porri** » 22 Jan 2005 7:52 am

Joey Aguilera, I checked out that whole thread about the drone CD. I'm ordering one. Thanks.

Joey Ace, I did make some blank tabs for the purpose you suggested. I try to quiz myself at various times when I'm not officially practicing. Thanks too.

Bob Smith, Good that you have 6 string experience. So you are probably half way there (assuming you are talking about E9). Just to mention what I'm using for the 3 strings I didn't talk about already... For the D# (2nd string), my "crutch" is thinking one fret higher than an E string. For the G# (3rd and 6th strings), I'm thinking one fret higher than an A string. I'm not saying at all this is a great way to think about this, but it is how I can relate to it and hopefully it will eventually lead to a quick recognition if it's practiced enough.

Bob P.