levers =lowers/ mine raise=help

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 23 Nov 2004 12:51 pm

I new to PSG. I have a 74 SHO-BUD.
three pedals four knee levers.
I am nearing the point where I could use lowers. so far I have been using just the pedals; Im new at this...you all know the struggle in learning this wonderful instrument.
Upon checking the levers I found they are set for raises. this can't be right.
I read alot of posts here. ALL you players are my heros.
is there information available for setting my levers to lowers. is this something I could accomplish or better to have a pro set them up.
I've done adjustments on my pedals so I know some things about tinkering.
so heros, any help would be nice.

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 23 Nov 2004 1:14 pm

For the typical 3x4 E9 setup, the pedals do only raise. The lowers you will need are found on knee levers.

I'd suggest
* raising 4 and 8 from E to F on LKL
* LOWERING 4 and 8 from E to D# on LKR
* LOWERING 2 from D# to D and possibly (with a 'half stop') on down to C# on RKR
* LOWERING 5 (and possibly 10) from B to A# on RKL

That is how it's typically done for the 'Emmons' configuration. This means P1 raises 5 and 10 from B to C#; P2 raises 3 and 6 from G# to A; P3 raises 4 from E to F# and 5 from B to C#. If P1 and P3 are reversed (the 'Jimmy Day setup' you'd want to reverse the left knee levers.

What do your knee levers do now?

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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 23 November 2004 at 01:29 PM.]

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 23 Nov 2004 1:59 pm

my pedals had been and ARE set for raises.
it's the knee levers.
they now are set for raises; quite redundant.
I want to set the knee levers for lowers, but do not know how to do that.
that was my problem.
my question is how to set them so.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 23 Nov 2004 2:30 pm

Randy,
On the changer, the bottom holes are where the pull rods go to lower the string. The top holes are the raise positions. You need to reposition the pull rods to the bottom holes on the knee levers that you want to do a lower on. The LKR is a good one to lower the E's to Eb with.
Erv

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 23 Nov 2004 2:34 pm

I am leaving work shortly. I must admit that before I posted I should have had those lever positions jotted down.
That way, when asked 'what do your levers do now' I would have had the answer.
I hope no one misunderstood my second redundant post.
so Ill be back in 24 hours wih more questions.
ERV. thanks. I'll take a look where those levers are connected.
you all remain my steel heros.

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 24 Nov 2004 8:07 am

ok .I am back.
"what do my levers do now"
two levers are raising and two levers were doing nohing. then I found they were not connected. once attached they lower.
so this is what the previous owner had set up:
(D) RKL strings 4,8 E to D#
(E) LKL strings 4,8 E to F
(F)LKL strings 1,7 F# to G
(G) RKL string 2 D# to D to C#
string 9 D to C#
my PSG is ten string tuned to E9

question: is this set up correct? and should all the levers be lowers?

I came prepard this morning. so help away folks.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 24 Nov 2004 8:36 am

Randy
Essentially this is not too bad.
The E to F and E to Eb are standard,
but the E to F is more normally LKL...
if there is a normal on this instrument.

Some put the E to Eb on LKR ( B.E. & me),
but many have it on RKL.
Your call, might as well leave it. It is similar to how a Universal is levered. So if you ever go Uni, less retraining.

Now you have listed 2 different RKL's....
I assume one is a RKR likely the D# to D to C#, that is pretty standard too.

Now many lower the D#'s with on lever
and raise them withanother, but you only lower.

Now you LKL is much less common.
It is basically making your 9th note of E9 turn into a minor 3rd.
I like having minors on levers. I have a LKV that turns Bs to Bb for an AB down minor too.

This is OK, but for me I prefer to lower my G#'s to G
getting the minor and still having the 9th above it too.

The problem theory wise with rasing the F#'s is it leaves you a major and minor 3rd or a half step to be avoided, and then also losing a useful interval at the same time.

Some will have other reasons to raise the F#'s one being mechanical, that some steels have trouble lowering the higher G#.
My Bud isn't perfect like this. But I still prefer the G# lower.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 24 Nov 2004 8:43 am

Randy you have made a typo in that you have two RKL and two LKL?
I think you meant>
RKR(right knee going Right) is (2nd string)D#-D-C#&(9th string) D-C#
RKL(right knee going Left) is (4&8)E-Eb
LKR(left knee going Right) is (1&7)F#'s-G)
LKL(left knee going Left) is (4&8) E-F

If so than yes that is normal and standard Sho~Bud knee set up and if it's set up this way; all you have to do is start learning.
Ricky

Clyde Lane · Post by **Clyde Lane** » 24 Nov 2004 8:48 am

Yes, you have the most important changes there. I assume you mean LKL, LKR, RKL and RKR. With the three pedals and the two levers that raise and lower the E's and the lever that lowers the 2nd string a half tone and a whole tone you can play just about anything. Good luck

Clyde

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 24 Nov 2004 9:03 am

I see the typo. Can you see how new I am at this. Im 53. started playing guitar at fifteen. finding steel coursing thru my veins.

and I see the changes with this set up.
now I can search around this site and become wonderfully lost in the fine tunings and preferred changes by the greats of PSG.
then, I have a lot of learning which will be challenging and of course rewarding.
what an amazing instrument.
thank you gentlemen.

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 24 Nov 2004 11:29 am

hre is a pic of my friend:
SHO-BUD 1974

the blonde in the corner is new and really cute, dont you think.
it's a Highway 1 Telecaster.[This message was edited by Randy Reeves on 24 November 2004 at 11:31 AM.]

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 24 Nov 2004 12:03 pm

Randy

You can leave al three of them at my door step any time.
Beautifull.....

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6
Nikaro SD10 4x4

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 24 Nov 2004 12:12 pm

I have been to Holland. a friend lives in Lieden. So when Saint Nickolas Day arrives and I find gingerbread on your doorstep just maybe.......

one I can play and one will take the rest of my life to learn.
I am a grateful man.

Gary Preston · Post by **Gary Preston** » 27 Nov 2004 12:15 pm

Randy it looks like that someone has added two of the levers . I think that i see two teardrop and two straight levers . Anyway it does'nt sound like a bad setup to me . Have fun with the ''Bud ''. Remember that you can learn from the guys on the forum so don't hesitate to ask . You will find out that you have a resource that will never run dry right here . Good luck and God bless you ,,,Gary .