What Kind of Sho~Bud is This

Paul Wade · Post by **Paul Wade** » 14 Oct 2016 7:04 am

Henry,
i am thinking a Sd-10 crossover ??? not sure

p.w

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 14 Oct 2016 7:18 am

Thanks Paul, never seen a changer like that on a Bud or Anything else for that matter. The racks are solid aluminum and the barrels are aluminum in color. It has 3 pedals and all the pulls and lowers for 4 levers but no levers. The top is in almost perfect shape. It's lamented die board looks like or some kind of pressed board. The owner is going to put it up for sale I think.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 14 Oct 2016 7:32 am

Henry.
I have NEVER seen a changer like that on a Sho~Bud.
Some of the other features on the guitar also put doubts in my mind that it is 100% Sho~Bud.

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 14 Oct 2016 7:37 am

Don't think it is either Erv but it's mostly ShoBud but that changer is strange. Never seen one like that.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 14 Oct 2016 7:48 am

Yes, it sure is a different design, kind of interesting, though.

forrest klott · Post by **forrest klott** » 14 Oct 2016 8:21 am

Howdy,

Back in the early '90's I had one nearly identical. It was a crossover that had been converted to a SD10 from D10. It had the same changer in it. If memory serves correctly there are more than one hole in the fingers to put the strings thru. I know for sure it's not my old guitar because the one I had was re-finished by the guy I got it from and was candy apple red.

Interesting to see one like it again, perhaps one of the Sho~Bud gurus will chime in.

Skeeter

J R Rose · Post by **J R Rose** » 14 Oct 2016 10:47 am

Interesting changer Henry. Rollers under each string at the changer end. Are their rollers at the top end also? I think it is a good design but maybe not since no one has kept on building it. Cost could be a factor also. Let us know how it plays. Thanks, J.R. Rose

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 14 Oct 2016 12:33 pm

J R Rose wrote:Interesting changer Henry. Rollers under each string at the changer end. Are their rollers at the top end also? I think it is a good design but maybe not since no one has kept on building it. Cost could be a factor also. Let us know how it plays. Thanks, J.R. Rose

Hey J.R., don't think I'm going to work on it and get it playing. The owner just wants to sell it so may post it in a day or two. Would be a very good project for someone. I'll be it would sound good.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 14 Oct 2016 12:38 pm

It would be nice to get some clearer pictures from under the hood also.

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 14 Oct 2016 8:37 pm

Here's some more pics. Still a strange changer, it pulls straight, not twist like a regular all pull. The pedals are easy feeling.

J R Rose · Post by **J R Rose** » 15 Oct 2016 10:00 am

My, My Henry, What a machine!! One of a kind no doubt. It does seem to have some Sho-Bud engineering but I have never seen anything like it. Have you been able to get any history on it yet? Would sure like to know. Maybe John Billings can enlighten us some? Thanks, J.R.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 15 Oct 2016 10:38 am

Perhaps a Baldwin-era prototype?

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 15 Oct 2016 3:29 pm

I think it's made from the first iteration of the Crossover. Right after the Fingertips? Like 1965? Hope Ricky chimes in, because he's seen a lot more Shobuds than I have. But I think it's legit.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 15 Oct 2016 3:38 pm

Is it Rick Abbot that has the really old Crossover? I wonder what changers are on his?

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 15 Oct 2016 4:40 pm

I really don't know much of the Crossover series; baldwin or not. I NEVER received any to work on over my 20 years of doing restoration work; as I always told the customer; I did NOT like them at all....So no experience here.
Ricky

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 15 Oct 2016 4:45 pm

Ricky,
My first Bud was Crossover. Played and sounded great on the E neck. Switch over to the C neck and it was great! Switch back to the E neck and everything was out of whack! Unplayable! It was stolen, and I really didn't miss the frustration! Only problem was, whoever stole it also stole my original 1958 Flying V! Now that I missed! And still do! If I had it today, I'd sell it and buy a condo in Florida!

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 15 Oct 2016 7:50 pm

I think this was a D-10 crossover that has been converted to a single 10. If I remember correct, the guy that had this did have a D-10 crossover and I believe this is the remnants of it. Been years ago.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 15 Oct 2016 8:02 pm

Oh! It's definitely a converted Crossover. But a very early one IMOP.

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 15 Oct 2016 11:08 pm

John Billings wrote:Oh! It's definitely a converted Crossover. But a very early one IMOP.

I agree that it's a converted crossover, I think I remember speaking to John Coop about this type of changer also. I had a crossover that came with that same case, and had all aluminum pole rods and barrel tuners. The cabinet should be all Maple with a metal frame.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 16 Oct 2016 7:57 am

Is the changer really a Sho~Bud? I've never seen one like that before.

Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 16 Oct 2016 8:35 am

What I want to know is, if you have only one neck and you hit the crossover lever, where does it cross you over to? Twilight Zone?

Tommy White · Post by **Tommy White** » 16 Oct 2016 10:01 am

I believe it is an original Sho-Bud crossover changer design. Only a very few with that changer design were built and if I recall correctly, a few of those were 23 inch scale instead of Sho-Bud's usual 24" scale. Interesting for sure. I always liked the crossover. That is what I started on and have owned several. One of my favorite era Lloyd Green tones was when he played a crossover. Which I believe became the first LDG.

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 17 Oct 2016 6:06 am

Thanks everyone for the info on the guitar.
The cabinet is laminated pressed board of some type. Looks to be all original what parts I have. If it had knee levers, they are missing but everything else seems to be there.
I'll have to tune it up and see how it sounds. Bet it's a killer. Most all the old Sho-Buds were.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 17 Oct 2016 7:21 am

It might sound like the MCI with the welded frame.