E to F# Raise

Willis Vanderberg · Post by **Willis Vanderberg** » 22 Oct 2004 4:43 am

I was wondering, how many pickers use the E to F# raise ? I use my E to F a lot and when I tried the raise to F# I had trouble feeling the F. If the F note is not right on, the diminished chord sounds really bad.
If you use the F# raise ,do you have a half stop ?, how does that work if you are speed picking ?.My usual, more questions than answers
Old Bud

Charles Curtis · Post by **Charles Curtis** » 22 Oct 2004 5:14 am

I have it with a half stop and I find it kind of tricky. I don't know whether I'll keep it or not.

Per Berner · Post by **Per Berner** » 22 Oct 2004 5:26 am

Try putting it on a vertical knee. Works really fine, and you don't need the C pedal anymore!

Willis Vanderberg · Post by **Willis Vanderberg** » 22 Oct 2004 7:00 am

I can see the B-C- thing with the F #. But how do you use this if your playing at a very high speed .I can't move the pedals and knee as fast as just the B-C pedal combination. and how can you feel the F for the diminished chord? I use the A pedal and Raise the E's to get a chord and then let the A pedal off to get a 7th.It seem like the F# messes up all the other combinations I use. Of coures it may be my lack of ability too.

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 22 Oct 2004 7:09 am

No half-stops on the E's to F lever!
E to F# on string 4 is on a separate knee lever. Most practical IMO on either LKV or on an additional 2nd LKL, located further to the front of the guitar.
I would not remove the C pedal in any circumstanses.

Bengt Erlandsen[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 22 October 2004 at 08:10 AM.]

Gary Shepherd · Post by **Gary Shepherd** » 22 Oct 2004 7:18 am

I have my C pedal raise both E-strings to F#. Lots of cool scale licks that way. I'm considering also putting the low B-string to C# on the pedal but that would make 4 pulls on the same pedal. May get pretty stiff.

If you don't have the C pedal raising your other E-string, I STRONGLY suggest adding it. This change nearly doubles the usefulness of the C pedal.

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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 22 Oct 2004 9:06 am

I've had E to F# on my vertical lever for so long that I wouldn't want to play without it. But it comes at a price - I don't have a slot for the popular and very useful Bb lever. Also, I never developed a musical reflex action for using the "C" pedal, which would be useful when sitting in on other people's guitars.

So while I have an E to F# lever, I don't recommend it. If I had it to do over, I'd play a more standard copedent.

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Ricky Littleton · Post by **Ricky Littleton** » 22 Oct 2004 9:39 am

I could never live without the B-C combo. Sometimes that minor key "scream" makes a very powerful statement for back-up.

I would like to have an E-F# knee for some of those Mooney licks, but not sure if I could kick to lever in a snappy-enough fashion to get the bite needed.

Thats just me...

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John Poston · Post by **John Poston** » 22 Oct 2004 9:57 am

C pedal - E to F# on both E's.
I saw that in someone's copedant recently and got curious, now I hear another strong recommendation again here.
Is there a good reason AGAINST doing it?
Looks pretty useful.

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 22 Oct 2004 11:14 am

Having a 9th interval between strings 10 & 5 and all notes from a flat 3rd to a flat 7th available on the strings in between seems one good reason to me.

Or try play the nice dom9th on strings 10 8 6 5 with E's lowered to Eb and B+Cpedal pressed.

Of course one can install the pullrod and back off the nylon tuner if one don't want it on certain songs. Best of both worlds.

Jackie Anderson · Post by **Jackie Anderson** » 22 Oct 2004 12:24 pm

I love to use my C pedal for E -> F# while both A and B pedals are down, which means hitting it with my right foot (and no volume pedal, but that's the least important part). I recently put the E -> F# pull on my LKV while keeping the C pedal, and it's great: I can do that quick Mooney dab a lot better with the LKV, but I still have the C pedal. I have B -> Bb and G# -> G, which I use less often, on pedals, although both would be nice on knee levers (I would put everything but the A and B pedals on knee levers, if I just had more knees...).

Vann Ray Cranford · Post by **Vann Ray Cranford** » 22 Oct 2004 1:30 pm

I learned to play my E to F# on my RKR back when I started playing in 1974. Clyde Mattocks built my first Cherokee steel, and I played his set-up. I have found this to be fast, since you do not have to take your foot off of the B&A pedals on the DAY setup. This eliminates the need for the "C" pedal.

forrest klott · Post by **forrest klott** » 24 Oct 2004 10:27 am

Bud,

Tim Rowley (who was at the jam earlier this month) has E to F/F# on the LKL of his old push-pull. I played that guitar for two years while it was on loan to me, and never did quite get used to the split on that knee like that. Since the band I work with does a LOT of Waylon stuff, I've thought about adding a pedal in position 9 or 10 that would raise the E to F# independant of the C pedal to better get Moon's sound. You can get close using the B/C pedal combination, but I haven't been able to match it to my satisfaction yet. The only problem with doing that would be mastering the two-footed technique that Moon used. Since I don't use a ton of diminished chords (yeah, I'm probably missing the boat) I can only relate to my own thoughts on that change and what I've written is probably way off from what you are thinking about.

BTW, gigged in my new boots last night. I think another month or two and I'll be used to playing in them. They sure are a HELLuvalot more comfortable than the ones I've been playing in the last ten years! Thanks again!

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