Playing Thru 2 Octaves

Larry R · Post by **Larry R** » 9 Aug 2004 2:59 pm

The keyboard player in my band made a teaching tape for me and he played all 7 notes of the major scale through at least 3 octaves. Is that possible on the pedal steel and if so, can you show me or tell me how to do it? I know the scale with the pedals up and with them down but trying to connect them like he did seems to be an impossible feat.

thanks,
Larry R.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 9 Aug 2004 3:34 pm

The E9th tuning spans almost two octaves without moving the bar. Some bar movement is required to do a three octave scale.

There are so many ways to do it, I'm not sure where to begin. My approach would be to start with the C on the 10th string, 1st fret, and work my way up from there. With each advance of two strings, move the bar up position (2 or 3 frets). Eventually, you should end up at a high C on the 3rd string, 15th fret with pedals down. Here's one example: <pre>
F# _________________________________________
D# _________________________________________
G# _________________________________________
E _________________________________________
B ________________________________5__6__6##
G# _____________________3__3#__5#___________
F# __________________3______________________
E ________1b__1__3_________________________
D ____1b___________________________________
B _1_______________________________________

F# ________6_______________13_______________
D# _6_______________________________________
G# ____________6___8____________13__15__15#_
E ____6#______________13___________________
B _________________________________________
G# _________________________________________
F# _________________________________________
E _________________________________________
D _________________________________________
B _________________________________________
</pre>But there are lots of other ways to do it. You don't even really need to use pedals.

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Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 9 Aug 2004 3:38 pm

There are many ways. Here's one: (E9)
G Major scale, no pedals 3rd fret, play strings 8, 7, 6, 6B,
then move to the 10th fret, play the same strings.

That's a one octave major scale. To connect it to the next octave don't play the last note on the 10th fret. Instead play it on the 8th string 15th fret.

This will put you in a position to repeat the scale an octave higher (15th fret no pedals, 22nd fret - AB pedals)

Practice it ascending and descending.
Practice it in different keys.

Also learn the major scale when you have the AF pedals on.(F=KL that raises the Es). That scale is useful to connect the no pedals position to the AB position, because it is between them. That's being used in b0b's example.[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 09 August 2004 at 04:43 PM.]

Charles Turpin · Post by **Charles Turpin** » 9 Aug 2004 8:41 pm

I sure wish i could do tab i could right a million of ways to do this. But the most used way of ascending the neck. Is the one that acutally revises from a old Lloyd Green lick. but this takes quite a bit of work. You take the 5th note Like in the key of F is a C note.Your first position would be at the first fret on the 5th string. The you find a C note again on the Third fret with the A pedal downon the 6th string then again on the 6th fret on the 7th string then on the 8th fret on the 8th string the 10th fret on the 9th string and then finaly on the 11th fret 10th string with the F knee lever placed. Now by finding the 5th notes to all of the F scale if you watch you are constantly raising Now with just a few bar moves and pedal moves you can find F scales all over the place Ascending into as many octaves as want. This is one of the most used things i do to connect scales. But it is hid into the progression to where when the other musicians look at it they are wondering where the connections are comeing from .

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Scott Swartz · Post by **Scott Swartz** » 9 Aug 2004 9:08 pm

Larry,

I am currently working on exactly what you are talking about, here's a thread with more ideas.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008124.html

Larry R · Post by **Larry R** » 11 Aug 2004 12:21 pm

Thanks for the input guys.

Larry