B & C pedals

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 10 Mar 2004 11:10 am

where can I get a simple course, on the use of the B & C pedals, that's cheap.

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TW Sneed

mickd · Post by **mickd** » 10 Mar 2004 11:39 am

Doug Beaumier does one - I think you'll find it in the Forum catalogue

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 10 Mar 2004 2:35 pm

Thaks.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 10 Mar 2004 6:27 pm

The "C" pedal is what I like to call a "lick pedal". With exception of the 4th string being in unison with the 1st string when it's depressed, it gives you almost nothing you don't already have. Players like Lloyd Green, John Hughey, and Buddy Charleton are masters at creating wonderful licks with this pedal. If you listen to their work, you'll see what I mean, and realize it's a "keeper"!

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 10 Mar 2004 6:45 pm

To tell ya the truth, I've got just about all i can handle with 2 pedals and 5 knees.
I might just experiment with the C a little just to see what I can find.
Donny, you must be a fan of the outdoor channel to.

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Lloyd Karenke · Post by **Lloyd Karenke** » 10 Mar 2004 7:30 pm

Terry...try this using just the C pedal:
Start on the 6h fret(pedal up)...pick strings 2,3,5...slide to the 7th fret...pick...slide to 8th fret...pick...Slide down to the 2nd fret...pick (C pedal down)...slide to the 4th fret...pick...(C pedal down)...slide to the 6th fret...pick...(C pedal up)....Slide down to the 4th fret...pick (C pedal down)...slide to the 2nd fret...pick (C pedal down)...slide to the 1st fret...pick (C pedal up)...slde to the 2nd fret...pick (C pedal down)...slide to the 6th fret...pick (C pedal up)...slde to the 4th fret...pick (C pedal down).
Just use strings 2,3,5
I use it as a C pedal exercise.
Lloyd

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 10 Mar 2004 8:06 pm

Lloyd,
Maybe I'm missing something, but if you don't pick the 4th string, why not just use the A pedal?

I personally use the B and C pedals a lot -- often for uptempo single string or double stop stuff you can't get any other way. It's also interesting to note that if E to F# were on a lever it would not be possible to play those passages at as fast a tempo.

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Billy Murdoch · Post by **Billy Murdoch** » 10 Mar 2004 10:35 pm

I Know I do'nt use the C pedal as often as I should,I find that the pedal travel on my e
Emmons is quite long on this change and it is a bit awkward to use it.
Should I persevere with it? or is there a way to shorten the travel to the same or similar length to the A and B pedals?.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 11 Mar 2004 12:35 am

Terry think of it as three things.

1) A different set of licks out of the root position as mentioned above. It can be used similar to hitting A and/or B while playing out of a no pedal chord, and gives a different set of licks.

2) From root position no pedals it is an instant minor II chord

But up 2 frets it is the minor III of the chord scale a usefull chord,
or transition chord ususally going to or coming from IV.

Which is a good passing chord sequence to the no pedals IV chord anf vica versa.

3) And lastly when you're on an non pedal 5th chord you can hit BC and it gives you the minor IV chord,
release and then slide the V to the IV.
Which is a cool trnsistion to the IV.

And on the no pedal 6th chord fret,
with BC you get the minor VII chord which transitions to the root chord no pedals

It gives you some good passing chords as well as some minors.
You need not, of course, use every note, and that's where style comes in like the excercie above.

Jimmy Gibson · Post by **Jimmy Gibson** » 11 Mar 2004 1:23 am

Buddy Emmons said at the British Steel festival many years ago that he never uses the C pedal,but he can probably play the pedal steel without using any pedals and still blow your mind away.

God bless JIMMY G.

Bob Watson · Post by **Bob Watson** » 11 Mar 2004 1:40 am

I am not sitting at my steel right now so I am relating this by memory, but here is a cool B and C pedal Blues lick. Pick strings 2, 3 and 4 with the B and C pedals down two frets behind the open no pedal position ( the sixth fret in the key of C ), let off of the B pedal and hit the fourth string (these three notes are played as a triplet), then hit strings 2 and 3 again, then resolve the lick to strings 4, 5 and 6 ( or just strings 4 and 6 ) in the open position ( the eighth fret in the key of C ). Good Luck![This message was edited by Bob Watson on 11 March 2004 at 01:57 AM.]

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 11 Mar 2004 7:22 am

Thanks for the lessons guys. I'll have to print this off to remember all of it.

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 11 Mar 2004 7:31 am

Check out this past thread. There are several tabbed examples of some B&C licks
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum8/HTML/001193.html
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[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 11 March 2004 at 07:35 AM.]

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 11 Mar 2004 10:19 am

Ditto to Terry's reply. My C pedal has been neglected too. I just printed off a whole weekend's worth of investigatin'. Thanks to all.

Kevin Sowder · Post by **Kevin Sowder** » 11 Mar 2004 10:54 am

Jeff Lampert!! You are awesome! I am a semi-new player and have been going over your old posts. My practice area is covered with your old posts. Great job. Thanks for your help. It's guys like you that make this a pleasure.

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 11 Mar 2004 11:05 am

Thanks a bunch Jeff!

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 11 Mar 2004 5:43 pm

You're very welcome.

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Lloyd Karenke · Post by **Lloyd Karenke** » 11 Mar 2004 6:19 pm

Larry...it was just an excersise to use the C pedal.......
Lloyd

Carlos Polidura · Post by **Carlos Polidura** » 11 Mar 2004 7:59 pm

Hi Terry,
wanna learn some good stuff on the B/C pedals?
Go to Joe Wright's page at....
"PEDALSTEEL.COM"
Happy learning....

Carlos

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 11 Mar 2004 11:53 pm

After looking at some of these posts
for moving V__bV__IV__I with BC
I found a LKV / B to Bb addition

.V BC________10
bV BC LKV_____9
IV BC_________8
IV BC LKV_____8
I no pedals___8

A bit darker but still sweet.
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 11 March 2004 at 11:56 PM.]

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 13 Mar 2004 10:35 pm

I use the B and C pedals all the time for playing harmonized scales and melodies.

This scale in the key of G is played throughout on strings 4 and 6.

3, 3B&C, 5B&C, 8, 10, 10B&C, 12B&C. 15.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 14 Mar 2004 2:14 am

Mike P. Cool, very logical that.
I was doing something similar but bigger voicings,
but I like the diad version too.

Thjere are so many logic paths on the PSG, it just takes time and MANY different brains to see them.
~~Viva the forum, for providing access to many other brains. Thus decreasing the time time to find more paths.,[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 14 March 2004 at 02:16 AM.]

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 14 Mar 2004 7:00 am

I would change Mike's scale only in the next to last note. IE, instead of

"12B&C, I would play

15B&E (lower the E's)

This would give you that all important dominant V7 to I resovle.

carl

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 14 Mar 2004 9:12 am

Here is a sinple break for "Silver Wings" in G Major, using strings 4 and 6, and the B and C pedals, that comes from the scale I posted earlier.

3 3B&C 3B&C-5B&C

5B&C 5B&C-3B&C 3 3B&C-5B&C 3B&C 3

3 5B&C 3B&C

3B-C 5B&C 5B&C 3B&C-5B

5B&C 5B&C-3B&C 3 3B&C-5B&C

5B&C 3 3B&C 5B&C-3B&C 3

3 5B&C 3B&C

3B-C 5B&C 5B&C-3B&C 3B-3

This is actually somewhat similar to what I do when I play the song. The C pedal has all sorts of uses. I think it's indespensable, and I would be seriously handicapped if I suddenly no longer had it.

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 14 Mar 2004 10:23 am

I agree Mike,

The best of both worlds is to have the C pedal AND a knee lever that raises only the 4th string to an F#. For there is a need for both, IMO.

carl