Is the Really a 1960's Emmons?

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 11 Jan 2004 10:10 am

I think it's 1970 or thereabouts.
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Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 11 Jan 2004 10:22 am

It could be a late 60's model. The tone knob is from a 60's-style guitar.

What I challenge is the seller contention that the guitar is in "MINT CONDITION. No scratches or visible wear."

From the photos it's obvious that there is wear on the tops of the necks where the player's fingertip rubbed.

Also, most of the flocking is obviously gone from the edges of the cabinet aprons.

While this is certainly normal and acceptable wear for a used guitar 30 years old or so, it ain't my definition of "MINT."

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David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 11 Jan 2004 1:59 pm

Looks like it might be a fatback to me? Hard to tell 100% from the pics, but it sure looks that way. I'm thinking early 70's.

Kenny Dail · Post by **Kenny Dail** » 11 Jan 2004 2:32 pm

Herby, it looks like a "split tail" to me??

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Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 11 Jan 2004 3:04 pm

Id want to see a serial #. It could be late 60's or mid 70's. Its a cutback for sure. Probably late 60's tho, due to the length-wise apron straps that Retrobilly earlier noted had flocking wear on them. Never seen those on a 70's cutback. '70-73 flatbacks had them for sure, but they stopped that with those models....not to mention the 2 vertical cross straps and polished knee levers. Plaque job too

and what appears to be a solid white ring around the pickups. Everything under there appears to be factory, too.
Im guessing '69 until a ser # is posted.[This message was edited by Mike Cass on 11 January 2004 at 03:11 PM.]

Rainer Hackstaette · Post by **Rainer Hackstaette** » 11 Jan 2004 3:26 pm

Its a cutback for sure.

I humbly disagree. The 5th photo (middle photo, right column) shows the undercarriage with the guitar in the case. The back apron aligns perfectly all the way with the dividing board of the case. Unless my sight is as bad as my hearing, this Emmons is a fullback. The two vertical cross straps show no bend where they connect to the back apron, either.

Too bad the pics of the changer end of the neck aren't clearer. It might even have a bolt-on changer.

Rainer

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Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 11 Jan 2004 4:13 pm

fat back with a cut tail changer looks to me.Pretty good condition and for now good price.

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Kenny Dail · Post by **Kenny Dail** » 11 Jan 2004 8:52 pm

My earlier post said "split tail" but what I meant to say was "cut tail." Thnx Damir for pointing that possibility out.

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Jim Palenscar · Post by **Jim Palenscar** » 11 Jan 2004 9:39 pm

Serial # 1428D

Buck Reid · Post by **Buck Reid** » 11 Jan 2004 9:44 pm

According to the Emmons chart,serial numbers 1338 thru 1474 were made in 1970.

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 12 Jan 2004 1:07 am

I thought so.... it's almost identical to both of my 1970 models ..1340D and 1415D

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Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 12 Jan 2004 1:35 am

thanx for pointing that out about the straps...next time I'll use my glasses

I does appear to be un-fooled with though, mechanically speaking, but I could be wrong, again.

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 12 Jan 2004 7:16 pm

nice guitar tho

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Nick Reed · Post by **Nick Reed** » 14 Jan 2004 11:11 am

I first thought this Emmons guitar belonged to John Lacey, but John would never sell his. At least I don't think so!

Nick[This message was edited by Nick Reed on 14 January 2004 at 05:02 PM.]

John Lacey · Post by **John Lacey** » 14 Jan 2004 12:25 pm

Close, but no cigar. Mines a 1329 with narrow pedals and no cross-straps. And it's still not for sale...maybe.

Dave Burr · Post by **Dave Burr** » 14 Jan 2004 12:38 pm

The seller must read the forum, because he modified the description from "mint" to "excellent" condition. Also changed it to read 1970.

Respectfully,
Dave Burr

Mark Herrick · Post by **Mark Herrick** » 19 Jan 2004 10:05 am

I followed this auction since I hadn't seen any bids for several days.

The bidding only really got going in the last hour of the auction.