Franklin 4th pedal ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 26 Nov 2003 10:09 pm

Can anyone tell me what this pedal is used for.Do you use it in a single note fashion or a chord? Maybe someone can give me a lick
using the pedal to show how its used.
Thanks.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 26 Nov 2003 10:21 pm

Yeah sure here ya go>
http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/ajfarewell2.html
This was my feeble attempt to tab Paul Franklin back several years ago...before I even knew anyone was using or had this change.
Ricky

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 27 Nov 2003 3:20 am

Just add it..you won't be sorry..

T[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 07 December 2003 at 06:55 AM.]

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 27 Nov 2003 4:55 am

Various chord groups open up with this change. It is important to note that Tommy White and I split the change. Its sort of like the Day/Buddy thing. I have always raised the seventh a whole tone to achieve the split fourth pedal affect. I do believe Tommy uses the best option by splitting that change into two pedals.

Paul

Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 27 Nov 2003 5:09 am

Paul, please can you explain how you split it, and which string on on what pedal/knee etc?
Thanks, Johan

Tony Dingus · Post by **Tony Dingus** » 27 Nov 2003 9:32 am

Here's one I heard Mike Johnson use.
1st string raises a whole tone.(another PF change)

1_____8R--8____________________
2___________________________
3__8_________________________
4____________8--------------8
5______________8--8L-------8
6____________________8L--8

Tony
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Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 27 Nov 2003 7:12 pm

Johan: Paul wrote:

I have always raised the seventh a whole tone to achieve the split fourth pedal affect.

See this link for his copendent. http://b0b.com/tunings/franklin.htm

I'm thinking he has deleted the 6th string G# to F# lower on the 4th pedal on most or some of his guitars.I say this because he lowers the middle G# to E.(LKV)This change requires a lower return compensator.And since a Franklin only has double lower changer.Well, you run out of holes on the changer.Just my take on this.Maybe it's good for a bump anyway??

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » 28 Nov 2003 5:56 pm

Thanks guys for all the reply's.Sure gives me something to work with.
Thanks.

Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 29 Nov 2003 12:08 pm

I split that G# to F# and B to A on two opposite knee levers on my E6-E9-E13 "Real Universal" it then works with P5, P6 also when I am playing E6 stuff. I wouldn't know what to do without them on my old standards......al

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Jerry Brightman · Post by **Jerry Brightman** » 29 Nov 2003 12:43 pm

Hi,

I use this change a little different:
I lower 5 and 10 a whole step on the first floor pedal, and then moved 2,3,and 4, over one place to the right using the Emmons set-up. I then lower the 6th string a whole tone on my right knee, left. This allows me to use the splits as Paul meantioned that Tommy uses, but I also use it for some speed licks which seems to allow me a little more control as opposed to using a knee lever...

Here's my chart for anyone interested...BTW, Hi Paul! Sorry we keep missing each other on the phone...
http://slidestation.com/Endorsements/jerrys_Pedal%20Set-up.htm

Jerry
http://www.slidestation.com

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 2 Dec 2003 6:32 am

Bobby,
I did not do away with the G# lower on the fourth pedal. I also lower it to E.
I skip the 6th string and raise the 7th a whole tone when I desire the split fourth pedal sound.

<pre>
KEY of "F" slide whole phrase

4---8------6-------6(K-lower)---
5---8(P4)--6-------6------------
6-------------------------------
7---8(KW)--6(KW)---6------------

K-Lower = lowers 1/2 tone
KW = Whole tone raise
P4 = is pedal that drops 5,6, and 10 a whole tone.
</pre>

Paul

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 2 Dec 2003 9:59 am

Cool. The notes are <pre>
C Bb A
F F F
E D C
</pre>
On Tommy White's setup <pre>
4(E) 8 6 6-
5(B) 8-- 6 6
6(G#) 8 6 6--
</pre>
or <pre>
2(D#) 8+ 6+ 6
5(B) 8-- 6 6
6(G#) 8 6 6--
</pre>

or 3 options on my setup <pre>
5(B) 10+++ 9++ 8++
6(G#) 10- 9 8+
7(F#) 10 9- 8--
</pre>
or <pre>
5(B) 10+++ 8+++ 8++
6(G#) 10- 8+ 8+
7(F#) 10 8 8--
</pre>
or <pre>
4(E) 6++ 6 4+
5(B) 6 6 4++
6(G#) 6++ 6 4
</pre>

It sounds nice with the C,Bb,A an octave lower, leaving the common tone F on top: <pre>
F F F
E D C
C Bb A

6(G#) 10- 8+ 8+
7(F#) 10 8 8--
9(D) 10 8 8-
</pre>

and also nice to include the passing tones
<pre>
F F F F F
E D# D Db C
C B Bb Bb A

6(G#) 10- 9 8+ 8+ 8+
7(F#) 10 9 8 8- 8--
9(D) 10 9 8 8 8-
</pre>

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 2 Dec 2003 10:14 am

Ernest,
I really like the sound of common tone options over most chord passages. I call the use of such common tones "pivoting" and had fun teaching it on the new video. The study of harmony is endless. Piano knowledge is a plus for studying harmonic rules because everything is right there in plain sight.....Bill Evans is one of my main inspirations....Paul

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Brandon Housewright · Post by **Brandon Housewright** » 2 Dec 2003 10:29 am

Paul,
If you like Bill Evans as I do, may I suggest the albums "Undercurrent" and "Intermodulation" that he did with the guitarist Jim Hall. Just Bill and Jim as a duo. Haunting beautiful music! Essential for Bill Evans fan IMHO (or just plain MUSIC fan)

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Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 3 Dec 2003 1:47 pm

Brandon....Going to Tower...................Thanks, Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 03 December 2003 at 02:00 PM.]

Brandon Housewright · Post by **Brandon Housewright** » 4 Dec 2003 1:26 pm

No problem. Always glad to help folks who like the same music I do

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David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 5 Dec 2003 3:09 am

Yes those are both fantastic albums, from fantastic players.
I can hear Paul absorbing Jim Hall licks in my head already!

I like this pedal a lot too.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 05 December 2003 at 03:10 AM.]