Where all SHoBud Crossovers Baldwin Made

Daniel J. Cormier · Post by **Daniel J. Cormier** » 26 Jun 2003 2:26 pm

Where all Crossover guitars made during the Baldwin Period .

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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 26 Jun 2003 5:21 pm

In Nashville, I think.

Dave Robbins · Post by **Dave Robbins** » 26 Jun 2003 8:09 pm

In Nashville, I think.

Mine was.

Dave

Kenny Forbess · Post by **Kenny Forbess** » 27 Jun 2003 5:26 am

Mine too,
Kenny

Al Udeen · Post by **Al Udeen** » 27 Jun 2003 6:24 am

David Jackson was building the crossovers out on Dickerson Road in Nashville, I got the first Sunburst one there in 69, au

Hal Higgins · Post by **Hal Higgins** » 27 Jun 2003 6:51 pm

Yep it was David Jackson alright....I had a blonde BE maple...was a great guitar. HAL

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Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 27 Jun 2003 7:13 pm

Baldwin Crossover steels were designed in '66 totally by David Jackson and on the market in Feb. 67 last ones made in '69. These guitars were made along with a very few perminent guitars and several finger tip steels. It might be said that these were the Sho-Bud "catch up" years. Emmons was kicking their butts at this time and most all the pros were leaving Sho-Bud. Zane Beck had left the company to build the Z-B steel guitar. The Super Pro was the last effort to stem the tide but Sho-Bud never really got the "King of the Hill" title back. However several great models were conceived in the mid seventys.(Pro II, Pro III, The LDG,Fender,Super Pro) and the quanity he sold was tremendous, many times more than Emmons, however, not sold to the old pros he wanted to have play them.
David Jackson got tired of the fighting in the mid '80s and sold everything to Fred Grestch and myself.
He's now happy and driving his own great tour bus(that he built) around the "gospel circuit", his wife being the "Star singer". I don't think he's getting paid.(Ha ha)
A shame he's not still in the steel business, he is a great designer/builder in my and most folks opinion.

Bobbe

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 27 Jun 2003 7:23 pm

Al Udeen is correct. Made in north Nashville at the corner of Dickerson road and Due West Blvd. Right next to Starday recording studios. Another piece of country music history. All but the last seven were built here, then the company moved to downtown eighth ave. The Professional was made at this time by leaving off 50% of the Crossover parts and going back to the individual aluminum end castings. Actually, the "The Professional" Sho-Bud is just a lightened and modified Baldwin Crossover.
Thank goodness for the lightened part!

Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 27 Jun 2003 7:52 pm

In April of '73 I was visiting a friend Jack Boles at the Sho-Bud store on Broadway and wandered upstairs and saw the crossover that Curly had turned in after going to MSA. I recognized it from the special array of knee levers that Curly had. The front apron was damaged from a bad fall but I would've loved to own that ax because of who owned it and the history of recordings made on it. I still think of it 30 years later and I could have Bobbe restore it. There are a few regrets in life and that is one of mine.

Lem Smith · Post by **Lem Smith** » 27 Jun 2003 9:06 pm

Oh my!!!

Actually, the "The Professional" Sho-Bud is just a lightened and modified Baldwin Crossover.

The Sho~Bud Professional that I had still weighed a ton! If that's the case, I'm sure glad I never had to lug a Crossover model around!

Lem

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 28 Jun 2003 6:55 am

Yes Lem, The Baldwin crossover would weigh in at 95 lbs.with the volume pedal, picks and bar at this period of time. 95 pounds, lift that over into a Cadillac trunk. I was "road musicaning" at that time and had to fly with mine everywhere. It made a Maverick lover out of me!

Chris Forbes · Post by **Chris Forbes** » 28 Jun 2003 7:19 am

Oy vey!!!!! I have a '72 Professional that doesn't leave the house w/o a hand truck! I can't imagine anything even heavier, ouch![This message was edited by Chris Forbes on 28 June 2003 at 08:20 AM.]

Fred Layman · Post by **Fred Layman** » 30 Jun 2003 7:46 pm

I bought one that had been badly messed up and needed a thorough rehab. While I had it apart I weighed the metal frame = 10 lbs itself.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 30 Jun 2003 8:03 pm

Just the shadow weighed ten pounds on the first one I had Fred! Ha!

sEymour[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 30 June 2003 at 09:04 PM.]

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 1 Jul 2003 10:03 am

Well the Professional is not light of course but not really THAT heavy... it seems to me... or maybe it´s just that I´m getting more and more used to it.
What I would like to know, if you leave the Crossover mechanism aside, is the pulling mechanism (rack and barrel) exactly the same on the Crossover as on the Professional, or are there some differences?

Regards, Joe H.

Jackie Anderson · Post by **Jackie Anderson** » 1 Jul 2003 12:17 pm

The racks and the barrels are the same.

Don Olson · Post by **Don Olson** » 1 Jul 2003 4:36 pm

I bought my first steel from David Jackson at the Chicago Music show in 1969,it was a crossover probably the best looking Guitar I have had and it did have a great sound but the barrels gave me problems slipping and don't break the little set screws or your screwed.Other then that it was a fine Guitar.
It was a natural top and rosewood front.
Don

Kenny Forbess · Post by **Kenny Forbess** » 1 Jul 2003 7:05 pm

Bobbe,a picture of mine weighs 4 lbs.

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Wayne Cox · Post by **Wayne Cox** » 1 Jul 2003 8:30 pm

I owned a custom-built D-12 Sho-Bud Professional built by David Jackson and the Sho-Bud dream team. Although it was a beautiful,well-made instrument,the weight of that thing is what drove me to play a S-12 for the next 15-20 years. I remember Duane Marrs telling me that the D-12 was about the same weight as a D-10 crossover. My heart goes out to anyone who may have owned one. P.S. I know a good Chiropractor.
~~W.C.~~

Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 1 Jul 2003 10:03 pm

Take off the C6th neck and the weight will be very accaptable.

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Lem Smith · Post by **Lem Smith** » 2 Jul 2003 9:41 am

Bobbe said...

95 pounds, lift that over into a Cadillac trunk.

Guess that kills the old joke about things you never heard said to a steel player.

Lem

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 2 Jul 2003 9:54 am

Lem, it was a very old Cadillac! (Ha!)

What Marco said is a great idea, it will make your guitar a lot more valuable also.

Ask Lloyd![This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 02 July 2003 at 10:55 AM.]

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 2 Jul 2003 9:56 am

Take off the C6th neck and the weight will be very accaptable.

IF you don´t play C6, that is... But those old ShoBuds have such a wonderful C6 sound!

Robert Baringer · Post by **Robert Baringer** » 3 Jul 2003 4:14 pm

I bought a new "crossover" from the store I was associated with that sold Baldwin, it did sound good but I had continuous trouble with it detuning, had it back to shobud many times and each time they changed something but it never worked out, I know where there is one under a bed that is like new(not mine) anyone know about what it is worth? appreciate info...Bob...

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 4 Jul 2003 8:15 am

One thing about these heavy old guitars at least on my Pro II is there's zero cabinet drop. The drop is in the back of the guy that carries it around and yes I see a chiropractor weekly!