Country on the Jazz Neck and Visa Versa

[Jim Hoke]

Here's a question for the more accomplished players. Which can you do more of: play the country stuff on the C neck (modern E9, not Don Helms) or play jazzy stuff and swing on the E9?

[Walter Glockler]

Keeping things simple, I would play jazz on C6 and country on E9.

[Dave Mudgett]

Only due to my limitations on the 6th neck and the fact that I came to the party initially for E9, I find it easier to do swingy stuff on E9 than vice-versa. But in more capable hands, I think it's possible to play anything on either neck.

[Lane Gray]

I watched Wally Murphy with Asleep at the Wheel in 80 or 81. He played identical lines on either neck.
I find that, at least to my thinking and experience (but I'm a goofball), the necks tend to foster certain lines; both musical lines and lines of thought.
Those lines may be equally suitable for any styles or genres.
It comes down more to frame of reference and personality, of which the guitar is an extension.
Also, standard E9th country licks can get jazzed up by altering the phrasing, playing half of them, et c.

Long story short: make a choice, then spend a ccouple months doing the opposite. It'll be good for your brain.

[Tom Gorr]

I recall looking at John Hughey's C6 copedent quite a while ago and got to thinking some of his changes were probably intended to bring a bit of the 'nashville sound' to the C6 neck.

BTW, nice train of thought, Lane.

[chris ivey]

i kinda feel that first off you have to have the sounds and concepts in your head. then you can find them on any tuning.

unfortunately this is where i'm lacking.

[Jim Hoke]

Tom, it was Hughey's ideas that made me think about this. Like he lowered his E (string 6) a whole tone, which could make the classic E9 A pedal sound.

[Lee Baucum]

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[Richard Sinkler]

Tom, it was Hughey's ideas that made me think about this. Like he lowered his E (string 6) a whole tone, which could make the classic E9 A pedal sound.

I knew John for a long time, and I never knew he lowered the low E on C6 to D. I also looked at his section in the book, "Pedal Steel Guitar. A Manual of Style", and in all the tunings he posted in the book, none of them had that change. Of course, that doesn't mean he never did it. I did toy with the idea of lowering both E's to D, but didn't have enough pedals/levers.

He does, however, raise string 3 to D and string 4 to Bb on his vertical lever, and with the 6th pedal, that gives him the equivalent of pressing the A & B pedals on the E9. I also have this change on my guitar. This is more like the old days when there was just one pedal making the A & B pedal change, before Emmons and Day split them.

Back in the 70's and 80's, I used to have a lever on my right knee that raised just string 3 to D. And, I had a lever on my left knee that raise both A's to Bb. Again, along with P6, you get the F to Bb chord changes, but with the changes on different levers, you can accurately emulate the A & B pedal movements. I used to play on a local TV show, and we used Bud's Bounce as the opening and closing number when they would run credits. You couldn't tell that I was playing it all on the C6 neck.

[Lane Gray]

I rarely ever click on links that don't show the URL or say where they point (I regard that as bad form, sorry), but that's just excellent, Lee. Gary who?

[chris ivey]

that's the gifted gary lee gimble.
i've seen other things in this vein that he's figured out and he makes me feel stupid.

[Jim Hoke]

Gary Gimble - you're a BAAAD boy!

[Richard Sinkler]

Lane... Right click on the text link. Click "Inspect Element". That should open a code view window at the bottom of the page. You will see the link's url. I do that on any "suspicious" link I come across.

[Lane Gray]

Not applicable in an Android environment.
And I just come from a Usenet history: if you wanted people to follow yer lynx, you told 'em what to expect.
Although to be fair, the two folks on here most likely to drop in unexplained links are also really likely to post good stuff.

EDIT: Lee, I know how to type anchors out myself in HTML. See the above bit. No worries, buddy.

[Lee Baucum]

I rarely ever click on links that don't show the URL or say where they point (I regard that as bad form, sorry),

You're just jealous, 'cause you don't know how to do that!

All you have to do is place your mouse pointer over the link and it will show you the url.

It's better than a cut & paste url that makes the page wider than the screen. Then you have to scroll left and right to read the comments. That is so annoying.

[Herb Steiner]

Gimble is amazing. Why he isn't doing more steel shows is a mystery.

[Richard Sinkler]

I rarely ever click on links that don't show the URL or say where they point (I regard that as bad form, sorry),

You're just jealous, 'cause you don't know how to do that!

All you have to do is place your mouse pointer over the link and it will show you the url.

It's better than a cut & paste url that makes the page wider than the screen. Then you have to scroll left and right to read the comments. That is so annoying.

It is definitely better to make a text link than a really long url.

I typically think of people using desktops or laptops to use the forum. I often forget the people use their phones and tablets. I have never used my phone (also an Android) to access the forum. Actually, I don't use it much for internet access unless absolutely necessary. Someone in Lane's position, where he is constantly on the road use them for access.

I didn't realize that hovering over the link displayed the url at the bottom of the screen. Much better than using the "inspect element" way.

[Ron Funk]

Gary Gimble plays cool C6 pulls at 1:52 to 1:56

[Lee Baucum]

Here is another one by Gary ---> Click Here

And also this one ---> Click Here

[Gary Lee Gimble]

Searching around for an E9 voice on C6th requires lots of seat time, somewhat like fishing, if you will. My recent expedition was transcribing some Buddy stuff on E9 and just like C6th, some voicings are an unusual grip on things. But all the notes are there, its just affixing them in such a manner so it flows and sounds clean. Oh, that be Buddy De Franco. One downside, if I don't utilize said accomplishments, I will forget them faster than my honey do list....

[Lane Gray]

But all the notes are there, its just affixing them in such a manner so it flows and sounds clean..

And you do that well.

[Dale Rottacker]

Just shows that if you know what you're doing you can do anything...Mr Gimble?, you obviously do...that was very cool and insightfull...you even had a couple nice E9th licks in there that would be nice to learn on E9th...

[Dale Rottacker]

I just listened to the other two sample's that Gary put up...Swinging Doors was da bomb...I must say though, if I could play E9th on C6th like that, I'd be a monster on C6th and would be playing C6th like C6th!!!...

[Lee Baucum]

Then, you've got Jody Cameron doing things like this on the E9 neck.

Click Here

Here's another one.

Click Here

[David Alley]

well back to the drawing board more sitting time