Split "E" Changes Or Not?

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Bob Snelgrove
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Split "E" Changes Or Not?

Post by Bob Snelgrove »

What's the pros and cons of splitting the E change on 4 and 8? (Different leg for each change)

I've had the lower on my rkl and the raise on my lkr 'cuz Crawford recommended it.

My thoughts:

1) Good to have the lower away from pedals
A/B. (knee doesn't fight foot Image

2) Bad 'cuz it wastes a lever( you would never raise and lower the E's at the same time.

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Post by Tony Prior »

For the past year I had the E's split, now they are both back on the left knee. It seems to me that , although I did like the E lower on the RKL, future opportunities were being eliminated. I think it was Buddy who stated in a earlier post on this same topic that when the E's are split, it now takes two knee's to do the job of one. I recently acquired another guitar which has the E's on the left knee and I decided to leave them there as I have been fooling with some additional RKL changes which work nicely with both the E levers on the left knee. The unison pulls that are on the RKL are a nice addition to this guitar, a change that I can grow into.

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Post by Wayne Cox »

Re: Bob, (2)Bad cause.../...Bob,maybe raising both E's with RKL works well for me because I use three finger picks,but it sure is nice having those extra Maj chords,Dim chords,& 7th's,via RKL. Remember, that is Lloyd Green's main lever. Just food for thought:Jimmy Day used the split E's,and apparently,so does Jimmy Crawford;therefore find which combination is the most useful to YOU! After you have bounced back and forth for a while and thoroughly tried them both ways,make an agonizing decision and stick by it! Only one alternative:Buy two steels;one with the split,the other without. Steel confused....W.C.
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Post by Donny Hinson »

<SMALL>2) Bad 'cuz it wastes a lever( you would never raise and lower the E's at the same time.</SMALL>
Perhaps, but IMHO, just put them both on the right knee, and be done with it! From my point of view, and because these are (usually) the two most-used levers, it makes sense to get them both away from the left knee...kinda "divides the work more evenly" among both legs on the E9th.
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Post by Gil Berry »

Of course, the ADVANTAGE of splitting is that you can make the two-note swing (E flat to F or vice-versa) without a pause in the middle. This is a nice change sometimes....
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Post by Larry Bell »

On a push-pull, you can REALLY get it smooth -- you don't even have to let off the Eb lever since raises predominate. In the A+F position, you can get the same whole tone movement (3rd to 2nd scale tone) you get pedals down by releasing the A pedal or in the open/no pedals position by lowering the 6th string G# to F#.

I don't use it often because there are other ways to do the same thing, but it's one advantage of having the E raises and lowers on different knees. My personal feeling is that you will probably play what you started with, but, for a U-12 setup, I think there are some serious advantages. I know there are uni players who lower E's on LKR, but I always try to convince new universal players to lower E's on their right knee (RKL or RKR both work fine).

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Post by Gary Walker »

Curly Chalker didn't lower his fourth string with eighth, in fact, he didn't lower it at all. When the eighth was lowered, the fourth was raised to F# and Lloyd doesn't lower his fourth either at all. It could be a throwback from the old permanent tuners that moved up or down, not both.
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Post by Bengt Erlandsen »

If you split the E's it might be a good idea to raise 9th string D-Eb together with 4th string E-Eb (compare w/P6 C6)
Along with the 8th string E-Eb you might have Eb-C# on 2nd string if that is not on another knee-lever.
Just my thoghts

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Post by Tony Prior »

Donny, just curious, Do you have both E's on the right knee ? Do you have the second string 1/2 step and full step lowers on your Steel and where are they so that you can use them with A or B pedal ?

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Post by Bobby Lee »

By putting them on separate knees, you gain a full-tone change in the AF position. I use that all the time. It's very fast, like a pedal. You release one while you engage the other.

I lost one useful position for an augmented chord when I switched. I haven't noticed any other combination that I lost. The gain of that full-step change outweighed the rarely used augmented, so I kept it.

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