where do you put your G# lower ??

Karen Sarkisian · Post by **Karen Sarkisian** » 11 Mar 2014 5:30 am

I have really gotten used to having a G# lower lever on my guitars. On my Emmons its on the RKL and lowers to G.On my Jackson its on the RKR and lowers to F#. I ahve a tough time with the RKR, its the most difficult lever for me to engage, also it's hard to get a half stop on it.
what is the preferred spot for a G# lower, and is it usually a half step or a whole step ?
thanks

Jarek Anderson · Post by **Jarek Anderson** » 11 Mar 2014 5:36 am

I have it on RKL, and I lower to F#. I have a split with RKL and the B pedal to get me to G when I need it (instant minor chord!)

Karen Sarkisian · Post by **Karen Sarkisian** » 11 Mar 2014 5:37 am

interesting. i wonder if i can put a split on my Jackson. (pro 4 changer).

what else do you have on your RKL ??

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 11 Mar 2014 5:46 am

On my Zum, and the MSA, it lives on RKL, goes to F# and takes 1 to G. On the monster Uni, it lives on LKRR, and goes to F# with a stop at G¹, along with taking the 3rd string F# to G² and takes 10 to F#

¹this combines a C6th change with the E9th change. On C6th, I lower my upper A to G# and the lower A to G. And my monster Uni is monster because I don't wish to have a Uni that lacks any vocabulary of my D-10

²I chose to put the F# string between the E and G#.

Dan Beller-McKenna · Post by **Dan Beller-McKenna** » 11 Mar 2014 6:06 am

Hi Karen,

looking forward to seeing your Jackson again(!) As you know, I have mine on LKR, along with first string raise, both a whole step. On most all pulls you can easily set up the sixth string whole-step lower to split with the half-step raise on the B pedal, so you get a G-natural when you want it. Not sure about the Pro IV system; I'll take a look on yours. Seems (from looking at the pics on their website) like all the Jackson models have a variety of possible configurations.

Bring it on up to Epsom on Saturday!

Jarek Anderson · Post by **Jarek Anderson** » 11 Mar 2014 6:31 am

I have the same change that Dan described, just on my RKL: 6 lowers a whole step to F#, and 1 raises a whole step to G#.

I am thinking about adding a half step raise to take 2 up to an E... but I'm not quite there yet.

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 11 Mar 2014 7:38 am

I lower the strings a half step, on a zero pedal.

Karen Sarkisian · Post by **Karen Sarkisian** » 11 Mar 2014 8:22 am

Dan Beller-McKenna wrote:Hi Karen,

looking forward to seeing your Jackson again(!) As you know, I have mine on LKR, along with first string raise, both a whole step. On most all pulls you can easily set up the sixth string whole-step lower to split with the half-step raise on the B pedal, so you get a G-natural when you want it. Not sure about the Pro IV system; I'll take a look on yours. Seems (from looking at the pics on their website) like all the Jackson models have a variety of possible configurations.

Bring it on up to Epsom on Saturday!

will do dan !

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 11 Mar 2014 9:29 am

RKR and I lower it a full step and split it with the B pedal. No other pulls on E9. Two C6 pulls on the lever.

Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 11 Mar 2014 9:39 am

I lower string 6 a whole tone to F#, which I can split with the B-pedal for the G. For my use, I need it on the opposite knee of my E lower, which I do on RKL. So for me, G#=>F# on LKR since my pedal setup is Emmons and E=>F on LKL. I could just as easily put it on LKV, but I'm used to B=>Bb there.

For me, the important issues are using with E-lever alone for a 5 chord (relative to the 1 of the open strings), with E-lever + B-pedal for a nice augmented, of course with the B-pedal alone for the G note giving a convenient and fluid minor change, and for various single- or double-string things that the whole or half-tone change gives.

If I couldn't split the change and had the choice of only the F# or G (as on your push pull), I'd take the F#, but they're both useful.

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 11 Mar 2014 10:40 am

It seems to me that lowing there 6th string to F# and using it in conjunction with the lever that lowers the E strings, gives you pretty much the same thing as moving the bar back 2 great and using the A-F combination.

I can't think of anything that this lever does, that I can't do with the bar. Am I missing something?

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 11 Mar 2014 11:00 am

LKR, where it belongs!

Mine is a whole step with a tunable split to get the G note.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 11 Mar 2014 11:04 am

Mike Perlowin wrote:I can't think of anything that this lever does, that I can't do with the bar. Am I missing something?

[tab]
4 _______3--------_______
5 _________3------_______
6 ___________3L--3_______
[/tab]
Essence of country sound.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 11 Mar 2014 11:14 am

Or do the same thing with A and B down.
It's a useful enough change that Zane King put it on a wrist on his tuning.

Jim Cooley · Post by **Jim Cooley** » 11 Mar 2014 11:19 am

Same as B0B, LKR with a half stop. I also raise 1 and 2 on the same knee lever. My Es are on the right.

Tom Campbell · Post by **Tom Campbell** » 11 Mar 2014 11:24 am

I lower it (G) on LKL...takes the place of my E to F pull.
I put the E to F pull on a 0 pedal just to the left of my A pedal...the (B to C#)pedal. It's easier for me to have two pedals down...0,A for the F,C# pull...very solid.

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 11 Mar 2014 11:28 am

That's actually a good idea, Tom.
I want to try that... F-Lever on P0.

Tom Gorr · Post by **Tom Gorr** » 11 Mar 2014 11:58 am

Mike Perlowin wrote:It seems to me that lowing there 6th string to F# and using it in conjunction with the lever that lowers the E strings, gives you pretty much the same thing as moving the bar back 2 great and using the A-F combination.

I can't think of anything that this lever does, that I can't do with the bar. Am I missing something?

That's what my thinking has been recently too. Its a trendy move, but really necessary????

I prefer the F# to G move you've been softly promoting, now that kicks butt. The whole seventh thing this does nicely is also available by different frets and levers, but it carries with it the "motif" of lowering the E-Eb on the E9/B6 universal...with one lever you get this guitar that has a rich seventh tuning voice that cranks out blues and rock.

Tom Gorr · Post by **Tom Gorr** » 11 Mar 2014 12:00 pm

Pete Burak wrote:That's actually a good idea, Tom.
I want to try that... F-Lever on P0.

You sure you'd want to lift your foot off P0+P1 and put it on P1+P2 for sliding inversions??? let me know how you like it, I could use another lever spot.

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 11 Mar 2014 12:10 pm

b0b wrote:
Mike Perlowin wrote:I can't think of anything that this lever does, that I can't do with the bar. Am I missing something?
[tab]
4 _______3--------_______
5 _________3------_______
6 ___________3L--3_______
[/tab]
Essence of country sound.

that lick can be closely approximated with the A or C pedal and some bar movement. Admittedly, it's a lot easier if you have the knee lever, but is it really worth it to have that change instead of B-Bb, or F# to G?

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 11 Mar 2014 12:15 pm

I have it on RKL with split tuning. I love it. I also raise strings 1 (whole step) and 2 (half step) with it.

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 11 Mar 2014 12:30 pm

Tom Gorr wrote:
Pete Burak wrote:That's actually a good idea, Tom.
I want to try that... F-Lever on P0.
You sure you'd want to lift your foot off P0+P1 and put it on P1+P2 for sliding inversions??? let me know how you like it, I could use another lever spot.

Ya know I forgot that I used to have it like this on a Fender 400 that only had 4 pedals (no levers).
From left to right I had F, A, B, and E to Eb.
Going from open to A+F was easy... I don't recall going from AB to AF much

.

I have G# to G on RKL on some steels, and on P0 on others.
I think I like RKL better than P0.

Tom Gorr · Post by **Tom Gorr** » 11 Mar 2014 2:55 pm

Pete Burak wrote:That's actually a good idea, Tom.
I want to try that... F-Lever on P0.

You sure you'd want to lift your foot off P0+P1 and put it on P1+P2 for sliding inversions??? let me know how you like it, I could use another lever spot.

Clete Ritta · Post by **Clete Ritta** » 11 Mar 2014 4:06 pm

I raise 1 a whole step and lower 6 a whole step on RKL. The half stop feel on string 1 is quite useful, and string 6 with B = G.

Karen Sarkisian · Post by **Karen Sarkisian** » 11 Mar 2014 4:59 pm

thanks for all the replies. i think i need to try to get used to having it on RKR and find put if i can have a split on my guitar. i switched some things around on the jackson last night. much easier than making changes on my push pull !