Can anybody shed light on this picture? REVEALED

Keith Bolog · Post by **Keith Bolog** » 31 Dec 2013 5:51 pm

Its on an Emmons S10. Customer add-on or ????

Ian Sutton · Post by **Ian Sutton** » 31 Dec 2013 6:01 pm

Perhaps it was a floor model at a music store?

Russ Wever · Post by **Russ Wever** » 31 Dec 2013 6:54 pm

Those screws seem to be 'overkill'
to hold such a small piece in place.
Have you not removed them to see
what the 'plaque' might be concealing?

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 1 Jan 2014 6:19 am

I don't know how it got there, but I think it definitely says "cheap", and detracts from the look of the guitar.

Why would anyone do something like this? Labeling this guitar as an "S-10" is kinda like labeling your cars tires "black".

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 1 Jan 2014 8:09 am

I think not so much music store as trade fair - you wouldn't deface an instrument you actually wanted to sell.

John Bresler R.I.P. · Post by **John Bresler R.I.P.** » 1 Jan 2014 8:59 am

Maybe one on display at the Emmons factory? Maybe You could check out the serial number with Emmons to see if it was a display or trade show model.

Michael Maddex · Post by **Michael Maddex** » 1 Jan 2014 9:20 am

Maybe the plaque was made for something entirely different from a PSG, like say a model of a Chevy Pickup or a display of electronic devices. Somebody found the little sign and thought that it would be cute to stick it on the guitar. HTH.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 1 Jan 2014 10:35 am

I would think that if that was a factory floor model ID they would have used the same screws that are used to mount the control panel or the Emmons apron badge.

I think it is concealing a bullet hole.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 2 Jan 2014 4:15 am

Come on, we all want to know what's underneath

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 3 Jan 2014 2:27 pm

yes, I believe its what we in the industry commonly refer to as a " boo-boo plate"

Keith Bolog · Post by **Keith Bolog** » 3 Jan 2014 9:03 pm

Sorry to keep you waiting but that damn thing is also glued on tight and it wont budge. Ill get the heat gun out tomorrow. SN 1387 S

Bobby D. Jones · Post by **Bobby D. Jones** » 3 Jan 2014 9:35 pm

This is the style of signs and plaques that was popular in the mid 1960's. The U.S. Army Class A Uniform name tag was this material in 1962-65 when I served. Some good reasons for it have been discussed here. Here is another. In wanting to insure it, Some insurance agent said, "It has to have a model number for my paper work or it can not be insured". Simple solution have one made and screw it on. Being hidden behind the changer sort of hides it when on stage.

Eric Philippsen · Post by **Eric Philippsen** » 4 Jan 2014 5:27 am

Plaque or not, I kinda' like that its a lacquer S10.

Keith Bolog · Post by **Keith Bolog** » 6 Jan 2014 8:11 am

Initial smartass comment: You are right its a boo-boo. Caused by glueing on a placard and drilling 4 holes.

Further clean up shows it. Five holes really. Cannot tell if that black was sanded down when the fix was attempted. I wish it only had the one hole.

Keep theories coming. I have a couple

- Made on a Monday morning or Friday PM.
- Hole drilled to keep allen wrench handy or maybe screw on a little wrist rest; next owner didnt like it, and not very good at repair.
- Factory error covered up and used in diplays/shows/sold to dealer at discount. Because its a shame to waste.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 6 Jan 2014 10:22 am

Donny Hinson wrote: I think it definitely says "cheap", and detracts from the look of the guitar

it's just like the early franklin badge.

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 6 Jan 2014 10:40 am

But the plaque itself is machine-made. It didn't come out of a Dymo Labeller. I think I would put it back on. The only alternatives are to completely refinish the entire instrument or to replace it with a different plaque. It cannot be left as it is.

jay thompson · Post by **jay thompson** » 6 Jan 2014 1:09 pm

Well Chris, do you remember any discounts for Emmons guitars? Bet not.
There is another older thread floating around with a burgundy D-10 with a very similar plaque, except it stated D-10. It was strictly a marketing tool for the transitional players coming along at that time. It was not glued on, but held with two screws. This guitar was sold by Dave Musgrave at his Dallas? store
in the early 70's. I sold the guitar to Justin Griffin
5 or 6 years ago.

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This is the guitar.
In the photo, Yes, that is "E" signing the guitar, just right of the C6th nut, one can see the D-10 Plaque. There were no signs of repair or damage to the guitar underneath. By the way, this 73' P/P started out blue, but over time the blue changed to green.
When the plaque was removed, there was the original blue color.
Best regards, Jay Thompson

Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 6 Jan 2014 1:12 pm

What does the underside look like in that exact spot? Did someone use too long a screw and poke thru the top, then drill it out and fill it with a dowel?

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 6 Jan 2014 2:05 pm

too bad about that old guy vandalizing that emmons!

Frank Freniere · Post by **Frank Freniere** » 6 Jan 2014 2:13 pm

chris ivey wrote:too bad about that old guy vandalizing that emmons!

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 6 Jan 2014 3:18 pm

I think it is a boo boo cover plate. Probably never know why a hole was drilled there. A guy here locally drilled three holes in front of a 66 Emmons D-10 and mounted a mike swivel stand. It's the same guy that spray painted it purple. This was about 25 years ago.

Dave Grafe · Post by **Dave Grafe** » 6 Jan 2014 3:28 pm

I cannot tell for certain from the photo, but it appears that there is a crack running through the central hole area. One very common method used by luthiers to fix cracks in structural wood is to drill a hole near the center of the crack, fill it with glue and insert a dowel to help force glue into the crack and maintain pressure while it dries, plus it also can strengthen the finished repair. The dowel is then cut and sanded flush with the external surface, which also appears evident in the photo.

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 6 Jan 2014 4:45 pm

Yes, but luthiers are not going to be bothered with the integrity of the wood in an instrument that is virtually a plank, with no risk of string tension having any adverse effect. I'm a luthier and I would fill a hole like that up with wood filler, sand it level and then respray it. It's not worth the effort to completely refinish the instrument: just screw the label back on and live with it.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 6 Jan 2014 9:40 pm

i'd make a nice little metal plate with my name on it.
it's a cute lacquer s10........why do people say 'lacquered' ?

Tony Glassman · Post by **Tony Glassman** » 6 Jan 2014 9:50 pm

Alan Brookes wrote:..... just screw the label back on and live with it.

+1

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