Is this music or child abuse?

Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 26 Oct 2012 4:32 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU ... re=related

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 26 Oct 2012 6:22 am

I have a strange feeling watching this. I lean towards the second option for calling this.

Dave Hopping · Post by **Dave Hopping** » 26 Oct 2012 9:53 am

This one's been around a little while.Just plain creepy.I have a hard time believing children that young could play what I'm hearing,but the finger and hand movements look reasonably authentic-but then Michael J. Fox looked reasonably authentic handsynching Tim May's BTTF "Johnny B. Goode" solo.

Whether or not those kids are actually playing what we hear,it is clear that they've been programmed pretty hard.At the risk of straying into politics,I have to say I worry that a nation of human robots like these kids can cause a lot of trouble.I would also worry that the progamming process might become popular elsewhere.

Jason Schofield · Post by **Jason Schofield** » 26 Oct 2012 7:32 pm

I thought it was really cute.. loved the way they were bobbing their heads to the music..

Dave LaSalle · Post by **Dave LaSalle** » 27 Oct 2012 2:29 am

Two had smiles on they;er faces.

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 27 Oct 2012 4:22 am

ah, come on....these kids were adorable and were obviously playing the music. You want creepy, no need to go beyond Honey Boo Boo.

Kevin Lichtsinn · Post by **Kevin Lichtsinn** » 27 Oct 2012 4:36 am

Total GARBAGE! I want to see performances that are real.

Kevin Lichtsinn · Post by **Kevin Lichtsinn** » 27 Oct 2012 4:39 am

Furthermore, if the children were real, they are being pushed to be adult robots and have been robbed of their childhood. Shame on those adults!!!

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 27 Oct 2012 4:41 am

You obviously haven't attended as many kids concerts as I have.

Kevin Lichtsinn · Post by **Kevin Lichtsinn** » 27 Oct 2012 5:27 am

Bill McCloskey wrote:You obviously haven't attended as many kids concerts as I have.

Maybe not. But, I do have quite a number of kids and grandkids, 13 in all. I have been to a lot of concerts!! Maybe the kids you know are more talented than the ones I know and have seen......After all, my kids are my decendants; they have to work at it, and I have to work really hard to get my psg to sound good. Unless those children in the video are musical geniuses, they are spending way too much time on practicing, and not enough time being a kid and learning other things. No disrespect intended to anyone, but I still stand by my previous posts. I respect yours.

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 27 Oct 2012 5:40 am

Almost everyone in my family is a professional artist. Professional musicians, dances, actors.

My sister in law is first chair second violin with the NYC Met Opera. She practiced hours a day since she was two. Her children did the same. I don't know anyone who achieved any success in classical music who didn't do that.

Remember Mozart was performing at 3 and no one was calling it child abuse.

Kevin Lichtsinn · Post by **Kevin Lichtsinn** » 27 Oct 2012 6:12 am

Bill McCloskey wrote:Almost everyone in my family is a professional artist. Professional musicians, dances, actors.

My sister in law is first chair second violin with the NYC Met Opera. She practiced hours a day since she was two. Her children did the same. I don't know anyone who achieved any success in classical music who didn't do that.

Remember Mozart was performing at 3 and no one was calling it child abuse.

Bill, your family is obviously is very blessed! I am happy for you and congrats to your family for their success coming from all the hard work. Like I said earlier, no disrespect intended. My comments stem from seeing children pushed into areas that they did not want to pursue,not just music, (maybe the adults living through them?), and thereby the child missing out on other things. I do respect your family's musical acomplishments.

I have no belief that Mozart was abused as a child. He was highly gifted.

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 27 Oct 2012 6:48 am

Kevin, I understand. I feel that way when I see parents who are tying to force their kids into dangerous sports before their time or pressure them so they can get a sports scholarship.

Kevin Lichtsinn · Post by **Kevin Lichtsinn** » 27 Oct 2012 6:58 am

Amen to that! Happy steelin'

Jon Sawyer · Post by **Jon Sawyer** » 27 Oct 2012 1:15 pm

In the past it has been documented that some of the younger Olympic athletes from today's eastern Communist countries are trained so hard that they are can go years without seeing family members, being notified about their deaths, etc. During the summer games in London a few months back, I remember reading something on the interwebs about North Korean Olympic athletes being sent to labor camps if they lost

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 27 Oct 2012 3:02 pm

Child abuse has been goin' on for centuries
aren't there parents who are bent on getting their daughters to win Beauty Queen contests ?
it's when we see others doin' wrong that we jump & holler
i suggest we look close at our own before we cast judgement on others
the Chinese are not the only cruel humans around

David Mason · Post by **David Mason** » 27 Oct 2012 6:27 pm

We will laud as geniuses "child abuse victims" like Ravi Shankar & Tiger Woods until it's convenient not to? The classical music world was taken over by ghetto-dwellers in the 20th century; the Jewish ghettos of central Europe, that is. They were the children of wedding-band and klezmer musicians, who realized that Junior's talent was perhaps the only way out - and due to Hitler, Junior was often the only one who made it out. And this was mild compared to the guru system that produced India's best musicians for so long. If a little kid can get in his 10,000 hours by the time most "casual" players are even starting, he's gonna have a huge leg up. Isaac Stern wrote that he could read, write and play music before language.

All three of the great musicians I've known well started on their own, but by the age of 7 or 8. And they all have the string of other "failures" in their life typical of most monomaniacal obsessives. "Stage mothers" and fathers are nothing new, and it may be remembered that Mozart ended up an out-of-control hedonist who drank himself to death at 35. But do we remember that, or his music?

Dave Hopping · Post by **Dave Hopping** » 27 Oct 2012 7:36 pm

Of course we remember all the talents Dave M cites,and what Crowbear says,you can take to the bank,except that these kids are North Korean.This performance and the preparation for it were ordered by State apparatchiks in the name of and by the approval of whichever Dear Leader ruled when it was made.It's a pretty clear statement that this regime considers itself the owner of every human being in that country....I wonder if Star Trekmeister Gene Roddenberry got the concept of the Borg Collective from North Korea.

Dennis Smith · Post by **Dennis Smith** » 31 Oct 2012 8:30 pm

Hi, would we feel different if it was from S. Korea? They look like they are enjoying playing the music. Young, yes. There is a video on wimp.com dated sept. 5, 2012 "This kid is better than you'll ever be.(if someone could post a link,thanks).
At the begining he is holding up his fingers like he's 4 or 5 and them he play's the heck out of the piano. He haveing a great time with his dad I would think but has the serious look when he playing.
Dennis