does anything else sound close to an older sho-bud?

John Turbeville · Post by **John Turbeville** » 8 Jun 2011 6:18 pm

I have an old sd-10 sho-bud, sounds unreal, weighs a lot. all the others sem to sound too modern, does anything else out there sound like an older sho-bud but doesnt weigh a ton????

Ned McIntosh · Post by **Ned McIntosh** » 8 Jun 2011 7:51 pm

A good Marlen pull-release will come pretty close if it's played right.

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 8 Jun 2011 8:17 pm

Maybe a Jackson?

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 8 Jun 2011 8:51 pm

Some of us compare the Derby PSG, with Geo. L. 10-1 P/U's; to a Sho-Bud, with the correct Amp. EQ settinngs!

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 8 Jun 2011 8:56 pm

NO!!!

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 8 Jun 2011 9:00 pm

I didn't say they sounded the same! I just said we compared them! lol! Your opinion is as good as mine!

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 8 Jun 2011 10:35 pm

Sorry John, I was responding to the original question not your post.

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 8 Jun 2011 11:11 pm

perhaps lacquer models like, Fulawka, Show Pro, Williams, Emmons do ?
& Jacksons of course

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 9 Jun 2011 6:06 am

“All is Swell that ends Swell”! (Little musical pun intended.)

John Turbeville · Post by **John Turbeville** » 9 Jun 2011 6:36 am

I dont play country so Im not looking that modern most PSG seem to be going after

Brett Day · Post by **Brett Day** » 9 Jun 2011 8:09 am

Mike Perlowin wrote:Maybe a Jackson?

Definitely a Jackson. The Jackson Website says that the Jackson Steel has a Sho-Bud tone and sound. As a Jackson player, I can tell you that the Jackson and Sho-Bud steels both have classic tones.

Brett

David Ellison · Post by **David Ellison** » 9 Jun 2011 8:47 am

I could be wrong, but... I think the modern pedal steel sound comes more from a combination of humbucking pickups and the amp than the guitar itself. Other steels might not sound just like a Sho Bud, but it doesn't mean they're going to make you sound like a modern Nashville player either, unless you want that from it. I don't think you'd ever get a modern tone if you used an amp like a Twin Reverb... no matter what brand of pedal steel you're playing.

John Turbeville · Post by **John Turbeville** » 9 Jun 2011 9:29 am

Interesting comments here. Im using a 1966 Deluxe Reverb as an amp. I have an extra 1969 sho-bud pickup and I am tempted to throw it into another guitar and give it a try. Thanks for the ideas.

The other guitar I have for lightweight gigging is a stage one, the guitar plays and sounds good, but is still a bit modern sounding for my tastes. Its had to swap pickups on these guys as there isnt enough clearance.

Mike Bagwell · Post by **Mike Bagwell** » 9 Jun 2011 10:47 am

A ZB.

Marc Jenkins · Post by **Marc Jenkins** » 9 Jun 2011 10:53 am

John,
I have a Sho~Bud S10 (rack and barrel) from the mid 70's. It's about 50 lbs in the case. Not too bad! Sounds incredible.

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 9 Jun 2011 12:01 pm

I bet with today's wide variety of pickups, and things like the POD and the Sarno Black Box the new Telonics pre-amp and an EQ unit and other tone shaping devices, as well the tone controls on the amp, you can get pretty much whatever sound you want out of any guitar.

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 9 Jun 2011 2:58 pm

John, I am not sure what you mean by the sho bud sound. For years I gigged with a Sho bud with a George L, then I got a Carter with a george l , now I play an MCI and guess what, it has a George l.

When I use the same settings with the same amps and same gadgets all three sound the same, WITH ME PLAYING. That is the key, players have their sound, but guitars do not, it depends on who is playing them.

Joseph Barcus · Post by **Joseph Barcus** » 9 Jun 2011 3:31 pm

if you have a double neck guitar place your neck select in the middle that will cut the ohms by half and give you a older sho-bud fender sound more so fender give it a try youre see what I mean

Dave Grafe · Post by **Dave Grafe** » 9 Jun 2011 3:51 pm

It's true that with Brad's Black Box the George L's in my Emmons sound a lot like my 'Bud does into the same amp.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 9 Jun 2011 5:19 pm

i understand what you're all thinking, but i think just as much or more the sound comes from your style of playing...directed at what music you are trying to create. paul f. is a great example of someone who can emulate styles from other eras. and i assume most of it is done on his franklin steels. look to create the style first, then if desired hone your tone with your desired equipment.

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 9 Jun 2011 6:59 pm

I've never heard another brand of guitar sound like the big body Sho-Buds. It's definitely in the guitar design. Zb's sound nothing like a Sho-Bud. I don't think any electronic device will get you that sound. I do agree playing styles can contribute to tone. The Fingertips also sounded nothing like the big bodies. Different guitar construction results in definitive tone characteristics. Just my biased opinion having been a big body Sho-Bud player.

Johnny Cox · Post by **Johnny Cox** » 9 Jun 2011 8:12 pm

Believe it or not my MSA Legend sounds a lot like my old Buds. I played Buds for years then went to Zum for 25 years. They had more of the Emmons characteristics but the Legends have a Bud quality. I'm going to build one with a wood neck soon and see what that does. The Jackson is a Sho-Bud, if that's the sound you want go to David and Harry, don't pass go, don't collect $20. I had a Shot Jackson model and it was a Sho-Bud.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 9 Jun 2011 10:40 pm

John Turbeville wrote:I dont play country so Im not looking that modern most PSG seem to be going after

I'm confused. It seems to me that the Sho-Bud sound is the most country of any PSG sound. I mean, Lloyd Green and Pete Drake? They pretty much set the standard for the Nashville Sound using Sho-Buds. It's pretty hard to make a Sho-Bud sound "not country".

Mike Bagwell · Post by **Mike Bagwell** » 10 Jun 2011 4:40 am

Kevin, I was adressing this post John made.

"I dont play country so Im not looking that modern most PSG seem to be going after"

I didn't mean to imply a ZB sounds like a Sho Bud. I was trying to say that like a big body Sho Bud a ZB has a unique sound.

I think one of your ZB retro guitar should be a consideration for John. It has the unique sound along with light weight.

Mike

Chuck McGill · Post by **Chuck McGill** » 10 Jun 2011 6:19 am

NO is the correct answer. I happen to have an early 70s
ProII with the most beautiful Maple two tone in the for sale section. Check it out.