From the Byrds to the Eagles

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 14 Nov 2010 8:17 am

I'm watching a series of youtubes right now. It's a three hour documentary of the birth of folk rock in LA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3FvWSvZ ... r_embedded

Anyone else see it? Looks good!

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 14 Nov 2010 8:46 am

Any Lewis & Clarke Expedition?

Will Houston · Post by **Will Houston** » 14 Nov 2010 9:04 am

thanks for the heads up dave. i'm watching now too.

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 14 Nov 2010 12:30 pm

Thanks Dave. Most excellent.

Andy Sandoval · Post by **Andy Sandoval** » 14 Nov 2010 1:15 pm

Cool, gonna download and make a DVD.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 15 Nov 2010 8:45 am

Bittersweet. With the accent on bitter.

Jim Park · Post by **Jim Park** » 15 Nov 2010 1:53 pm

I thought i saw a brief glimpse of a d-10 on stage with Linda at the Troubador ..Maybe it was Herb Steiner??? I know he was right there in the middle of that scene during that time........maybe he will chime in here

Chris Schlotzhauer · Post by **Chris Schlotzhauer** » 15 Nov 2010 9:33 pm

Joachim Kettner wrote:Bittersweet. With the accent on bitter.

Really??

I have been enjoying this Dave. Thanks for sharing

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 16 Nov 2010 8:07 am

Bittersweet- This is just a feeling of mine because I really liked most of those artists when I first heard them, especialy the first CSN album. But later with all of their offsprings like Crosby and Nash, Stills/ Young Band, Souther, Hillman, Furay it seemed a bit strange to me. And the whole thing or most of it turned into a "who is playing on whose record scene".

Ron Davis · Post by **Ron Davis** » 17 Nov 2010 5:48 am

Very cool...
Thanx for the link.

rd

Larry Tracy · Post by **Larry Tracy** » 17 Nov 2010 4:49 pm

JUst watched it. Very cool. Thanks Dave

Larry Miller · Post by **Larry Miller** » 18 Nov 2010 5:51 am

Poco was a non factor, really didn't contribute much, so I guess they get no love. TIC. Buffalo Springfields Kind Woman was recorded March 6th, 1968. Sweetheart of the Rodeo commenced recording March 9th, 1968...I'm just sayin'

Chuck Thompson · Post by **Chuck Thompson** » 18 Nov 2010 4:08 pm

I kinda liked it for what it was. btw... isnt Buffalo Springfield's "Kind Woman" for all practical purpose a Pogo

record? Richie Furay - Jimmie Messina - Rusty Young?

I would ask Frey and Henley if Poco was much of an influence or contributor.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 19 Nov 2010 2:18 am

Well if you ask Richie he will tell you Glen Fry was hanging out at the earliest Poco rehearsals before there were Eagles...

And yes, the last Springfield record was said to be completed by Messina and Furay, who brought in Rusty..Richie has a very dominant role on this record and Jim even sang one song.

Then came Pogo..then came Poco...

Olli Haavisto · Post by **Olli Haavisto** » 19 Nov 2010 9:28 am

Jason Odd wrote:Any Lewis & Clarke Expedition?

"Fantastic Expedition of Dillard and Clark" maybe ?

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 19 Nov 2010 10:44 am

The Lewis& Clarke Expedition actualy existed. I once held their record in my hands. I remember when the Dillard and Clark Expedition first appeared in '69, I thought I heard the name before, very similar.
http://www.answers.com/topic/lewis-clarke-expedition

Olli Haavisto · Post by **Olli Haavisto** » 19 Nov 2010 10:59 am

OK. That's news to me, thanks.
Would that be Boomer Castleman, btw ?

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 19 Nov 2010 5:52 pm

The D-10 in the Linda Ronstadt scene is a young Dan Dugmore and his Sho-Bud. He spent 11 years in that chair.

Clete Ritta · Post by **Clete Ritta** » 19 Nov 2010 11:27 pm

Dave Zirbel wrote:Anyone else see it? Looks good!

Im watching it now thanks to your post.

Clete

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 20 Nov 2010 5:58 am

I haven't gotten around to this yet, but one of the things that bugs me about country-rock is how literal it is, it tends to be a line drawn between the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield family trees, which is fine, but just gloss.

Commander Cody & The LPA, the Greatful Dead-New Riders, Ian & Sylvia, etc. get a look in usually, and that's cool.
Poco get no love, despite the fact that they were the first country-rockers (okay, aside from the Band) who had hits, and realistically, if you listen to 70s country-rock, were the most influentual.

Occasionally you get your rootsy twangers like Goose Creek Symphony or The Ozark Mountain Daredevils, who were great bands, and a little of the beaten track.

Rio Grande, Pure Prairie League and others stuck closer to the Poco formula, and some had hits as well.

I get that it's all about the West Coast thing, but it sure rubs me the wrong way that Lewis & Clark, yes that's Boomer Castleman and Michael Martin Murphy's band, get' skipped over.

Let me see, Murph and Boomer were in a Randy Sparks band with Michael Nesmith, their bass player went on to work in the country-rock bands of Chris Darrow, Linda Ronstadt and Nesmith.
Clarence White of the Byrds, etc. played on their (Lewis & Clark) second, unissued LP. The drummer on the second Lewis & Clark LP also played in a country bar band with Clarence White.
Boomer and Murph did some work in the studio with Flatt & Scruggs, later Boomer and Murph played in Earl Scruggs first post-Flatt & Scruggs band, which was mentioned in Billboard magazine in 1969.

Did I mention that at one point in the 60s, Murph and Boomer were managed by Don Sessions, who also managed Wynn Stewart and Buddy Cagle at the same time. Oh, and Boomer and Murph went into the studio with Buck Owens' Buckaroos in 1966, for a session yet to see the light of day.

.. so... (grumble).. for once I'd like to see Lewis & Clarke rate a mention.

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 20 Nov 2010 9:13 am

I haven't gotten around to this yet, but one of the things that bugs me about country-rock is how literal it is, it tends to be a line drawn between the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield family trees, which is fine, but just gloss.

"Hotel California From The Byrds To The Eagles. BBC Four Brilliant documentary on the Folk Rock scene in California from the 60's to the 70's."

I think they are focusing on the folkies and singer/songwriters, not country rock. Also they were talking about the business end. Lots of comments from David Geffen. I imagine they leaned towards the more commercial and commonly known artists since it was viewed by the masses on tv. My guess is most common tv viewers wouldn't dig that deep into the "Who's Who Country Rock Family Tree" and want to know every sideman and every single spin-off group that existed.

I enjoyed it. We got to hear it from the people that were actually there. It is what it is.

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 20 Nov 2010 9:36 am

I hope Glen Frey's health is holding out... His voice is strong as ever, but it looks like the guitar may have worked his back over some, over the years.

Eagles concert at Stage College several weeks ago was awesome, tremendous, outstanding, and the end of a 34 year quest for me.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 20 Nov 2010 9:48 am

Hi Dave, I think that's why I was so dissapointed, I had a look and recognised this doco, I have seen it before.

For a start, the name, Hotel California: From the Byrds to the Eagles... I went in thinking finally, a country-rock doco.. and then got the same old CSN&Y and Joni Mitchell footage, etc. very dissapointed.

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 20 Nov 2010 10:47 am

Yes. My interest leans more towards country rock too. The Byrds were doing folk rock in the beginning so they deserve a mention but not sure why it ended up with the Eagles which in my humble opinion are a country pop rock band. Maybe because they were tied in with the label they were talking about. They were a good band though....

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 20 Nov 2010 4:21 pm

Yes Dave,

Thanks for that link. I'm just getting back and around on the Forum.

What a breath of fresh air [for me anyway].

I sent it off to a bunch of friends.

What I like about the way it was put together, is that it cleverly mixes up all key players into the past and present. A great production.

Thanks again, Dave

The Steel Guitar Forum

From the Byrds to the Eagles

From the Byrds to the Eagles

the birth of rock and roll

Re: From the Byrds to the Eagles