David Hartley
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KENNY KRUPNICK
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David Hartley
I like the youtube of Dave playing "Orange Blossom Special". He is playing on a Sho~Bud Pro-1. I'd like to have that track that he's playing along with. Dave if you see this post, would it be possible for you to send the track to me in an e-mail where I can download it, and burn onto a CD?
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David Hartley
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Hi Kenny
Kenny, I think you possibly mean Almost Persuaded track as it's the only video I have uploaded to YouTube where I am playing a Pro 1.
You can email me at mr.davidhartley@btinternet.com if you wish just to confirm your request for the track required.
David
You can email me at mr.davidhartley@btinternet.com if you wish just to confirm your request for the track required.
David
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KENNY KRUPNICK
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David-Your tone on this sho-bud pro 1 is absolutely superb! Can you fill me in on the details of the guitar? When was it built? s it a rack and barrel changer? original parts (besides the added Franklin pedal and knee lever(s)? What about the pickup? I see in the vid that you're using quite a few fancy electronic gadgets including a Hilton VP and Evans amp...do you mind sharing your setup? What about strings/bar brands? I know I couldn't emulate your sound with gadgets and guitars without a whole lot more practice, but if I could even get a little closer....
Lamar S-10, Goodrich L10K VP, Carvin Vintage 16 all-tube amp, John Pearse Cryogenic steel tone bar, John Pearse strings.
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David Hartley
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Hi Benjamin, I did see you enquiry
I just typed in a comprehensive reply for you Benjamin and then it got lost before I managed to post it. I will try again soon...
iPads are great but they can be annoying too when that happens..
David
iPads are great but they can be annoying too when that happens..
David
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Benjamin Jayne
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Hate when that happens! Thanks for your time, though David!-
David Hartley
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Hi Benjamin
Thanks for you enquiry. I don't know too much about the age of the ShoBud Pro 1. I brought it home from Dallas in 2010. It is in excellent, almost immaculate condition. It is not rack and barrel and has the slim straight knee levers so I am guessing maybe 1978-1980. It has the original single coil pickup but I did replace it recently with a rewound one. I have yet another pickup to try in it. I have spent many hours tweaking this and that and it is almost perfectly set up for me now. It has 4 pedals and 5 knee levers. It is the Hartley copedant as seen on the Rains steel guitars website here http://www.rainssteelguitars.com. It does not have pedal 5 which is the Franklin pedal. I do of course have this on the a rains though. The guitar is all original as far as I know. It was to be my gigging guitar as it is a bit lighter to cart to gigs, but it records so well direct into the recording suite going through nothing but a Telonics FP-100 volume pedal that it lives permanently set up in the studio.
The equipment I use at gigs now is as follows, Rains SD-10 Hartley, Telonics PA-4200 1U amp, Telonics PRE-1000 pre-amp driving two Evans SES200 15" cabinets. My effects are Boss DD2 delay and Boss RV-5 reverb but I am going back to the RV-2 as from today just to smooth things up a little, I managed to pick an RV-2 up just this last weekend in immaculate condition. These 2 FX pedals are fixed to the steel mixer floor plate incorporating the Telonics FP-100 volume pedal. I use taper 3 on both volume pedals for the shobud and the steel mixer Rains rig. The Steel Mixer goes with me everywhere I play even when I am abroad. It's an amazing unit that gives your amp the direct signal of the steel at all times and the FX pedals you choose to fit on the floor plate can be remotely controlled at the steel guitar leg. It now has the best dobro simulator also and supplies power to Peterson tuners too. I will add some links below for you. Mark Dunn can explain the steel mixer better than me and you can contact him at mark@traxcircuits.co.uk.
TELONICS PRO AUDIO.
http://www.telonics.com/proaudio/SWSGA_Ad.pdf
STEEL MIXER.
www.steelmixer.com
EVANS
http://www.evansamps.com/products
The equipment I use at gigs now is as follows, Rains SD-10 Hartley, Telonics PA-4200 1U amp, Telonics PRE-1000 pre-amp driving two Evans SES200 15" cabinets. My effects are Boss DD2 delay and Boss RV-5 reverb but I am going back to the RV-2 as from today just to smooth things up a little, I managed to pick an RV-2 up just this last weekend in immaculate condition. These 2 FX pedals are fixed to the steel mixer floor plate incorporating the Telonics FP-100 volume pedal. I use taper 3 on both volume pedals for the shobud and the steel mixer Rains rig. The Steel Mixer goes with me everywhere I play even when I am abroad. It's an amazing unit that gives your amp the direct signal of the steel at all times and the FX pedals you choose to fit on the floor plate can be remotely controlled at the steel guitar leg. It now has the best dobro simulator also and supplies power to Peterson tuners too. I will add some links below for you. Mark Dunn can explain the steel mixer better than me and you can contact him at mark@traxcircuits.co.uk.
TELONICS PRO AUDIO.
http://www.telonics.com/proaudio/SWSGA_Ad.pdf
STEEL MIXER.
www.steelmixer.com
EVANS
http://www.evansamps.com/products
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David Hartley
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Some more info about me here.....
I recently filled in a questionnaire for the British steelies society magazine.
I would like to share this with you all here...
Where were you born?
I was born in the Suffolk town of Bury St. Edmunds in October 1958.
Was any other of your family musical?
My father and mother both played the piano. It was all we had in the house as entertainment apart from a black and White TV.
If so who and what did they play
Dad played in bands all his life. He was the band leader playing piano. I remember always going to the gigs and especially liked the Royal British Legion in Bury St. Edmunds. I was very young. Probably aged about 8. Mum used to play piano also but only at home.
When did you first start taking interest in music?
I took an interest from about 4 years of age. Mum and Dad used to always play country music records on the record player and they remember me sitting at the piano working the melodies of the songs out with one finger, this continued as I never really found TV that interesting. They continued to watch with amazement every time I sat there working it all out.
What instruments did you learn to play first
Mum and Dad decided to send me for piano lessons from the age of 6. I was definitely my teachers favourite student. I passed all exams with flying colours and performed at many piano evenings with adults in the audience. After 6 years of lessons, I finally gave it up. It was getting hard by grade 6. It was at this stage where you got handed some sheet music and was expected to play it without rehearsing it first. My teacher always knew that I was learning by ear. I could read notes, of course, but found it instantly easier if she played it through once for me. I never regretted giving it up at this stage. I knew it was as far as I wanted to go. I was then 12 of course and more interested in playing around on my bike with all my mates around town.
When did you first get interested in steel guitar and at what age?
I was interested in the steel from about the age of 13 when I started playing bass guitar with my dads country band. I always stood behind the steel player, Kenny Pierce, and was fascinated with the sounds. Dad always bought the van home, and Kenny never minded me taking his steel out the van and setting it up to play around on. I remember it was an old black Fuzzy. It was tatty and even had a pair of mole grips as one of the knee levers. Kenny knew I had played it every time, I seemed to remember I tried different tunings and adjusted pedals and knee levers but never got it back exactly how he had it.. I probably had the mole grips clamped on in the wrong position, and adjusted the legs too.
When did you get your first steel guitar and what make was it?
I bought my first steel when I was 17. I had been playing bass for 4 years behind Kenny and eventually he left, and I jumped in on steel. We got another bass player, had a few practices, and I remember my first gig playing steel with them was at the Theatre Royal in Bury St. Edmunds. John Finlay took me to Maidstone to the Steel Mill and I bought a ZB student. I practiced all the while, I was fascinated with it. We used to play 2 or 3 times a week and after getting home from a gig, I used to set it up and play until I fell asleep on it. The next day, I would be up, practicing. I remember trying to work out Lloyd Green songs, and Tom Brumley too. It was all by ear in them days. Spinning a 12" LP around slowly on the turntable by hand to slow down the music and learn all the notes as best I could.
Did you go to a teacher for steel or did you learn from books or self taught?
As I said above, I was completely self taught, the only book I had was Winnie Winston's steel guitar book. That did help but I found it all a bit easy reading and learning tabs. It was more fun working out material, licks and runs from a pile of LP records that mum and dad had.
Do you read music or tablature?
Yes, I could, but I didn't really find this useful. It was definitely a help learning piano at an early age as nowadays, I record backing tracks and most of the sequences are recorded by playing a midi piano with weighted keys. I have owned this piano for many years. I find it hard to play an organ or a keyboard without weighted keys.
What make strings do you use?
I didn't really experiment with strings, I tried one or two gauge changes so things sounded right to my ears and felt the right tension for my picking style. For many years I have used SIT, this is mainly because they are readily available from John Davis here in the UK. If I got breakages, I remember using Ernie Balls single strings as they could be bought separately from the local music shop in Bury. I played so much, I changed strings a lot. I often used to cut the whole set off when I arrived at a gig just a few minutes before playing. It doesn't take many minutes to stretch them in as long as you really pull on them and stretch them in quick.
What method do you use for blocking?
Palm blocking is mainly my method, but there are a few runs that can only be achieved by pick blocking, especially those runs played on strings 1,2,3 and 4. You do need to learn both ways, but this comes with practice, but you must practice the right licks.
Who are your favourite players?
Lloyd Green, Tom Brumley and I really admire Doug Jernigan live and anything that Mike Johnson records. There are many others, but these are my top 4.
What tunings do you use?
I have tried twice in 35 years to understand the C6th but gave it up on both occasions. I stick now with E9th with a pad. I can't see me changing again, I have tried 11 and 12 stringed steels but never found them comfortable.
What steel guitar do you currently play and what amp do you play through?
I have been fortunate enough in the the last 5 years to have played Rains. They have been good to me and in 2007 they decided there was a lot of interest in my setup as it differed to the standard, and Rains decided to make a signature Hartley steel available. I have always owned just one steel guitar but now have the ShoBud also. I have changed the Rains every year. The most recent red and pewter two tone Hartley steel is not going anywhere. Is is the best looking steel I have ever had and plays like a dream.
Have you played with any bands if so who?
Silver Ace for many years was my dads band. I have worked for many local bands and backed many American artists in the Mervyn Conn days of the wembly festival.
Have you ever recorded or done TV work?
There was a few occasions where shows were televised, but I remember Dianne Solomon had her own TV show years ago, and that was a great experience doing that with her. We done a few VERY classy gigs in Cannes too!
What steel conventions have you played?
I remember my first was at Gerry Hogans and I took my band with me too. I remember being nervous as I was the band leader at that show and had to announce the instrumentals in front of an audience of steel players. I don't have trouble now, I have played enough years to have the confidence to busk my way through an instrumental even if I haven't played it before. I love Dallas TSGA and have been a visitor and player there every year since 2007.
Do you remember your first gig?
Er? Nope....apart from the Theatre Royal gig being my first live gig playing steel, but I had been playing Bass Guitar with that band for 4 years previous so don't remember that first one. It would have definitely been a local village hall gig. We was always out every weekend at least once, sometimes 3 or 4 times a week.
What is your favourite style of music?
Without a doubt, Pure traditional country music with steels fiddles is my favourite.
What advice would you give a player who is just starting out?
Get a nice sound from you instrument, it's pointless trying to learn from records if you're not sounding like "you fit in". Only learn licks and tunes that you want to learn. Don't learn any tab if it doesn't appeal to you. You must enjoy what you are learning. If I heard a steel in a record that I never liked the sound of, or the players licks and runs didn't appeal to my ear, I wouldn't learn it. But, I would learn EVERYTHING that I did like. Don't be afraid to leave the steel practicing for a few days, it does you good to have a break. I never practice much now, but there is occasions when I hear something on a country music radio program that pricks up my ears, then I would download that song on iTunes and learn it.
Is there anything else that you would like to add?
Enjoy your steel, buy everything you can afford to get the sound you want from an early time in your learning, hearing yourself sounding good will encourage you to want to play it more.
David Hartley
I would like to share this with you all here...
Where were you born?
I was born in the Suffolk town of Bury St. Edmunds in October 1958.
Was any other of your family musical?
My father and mother both played the piano. It was all we had in the house as entertainment apart from a black and White TV.
If so who and what did they play
Dad played in bands all his life. He was the band leader playing piano. I remember always going to the gigs and especially liked the Royal British Legion in Bury St. Edmunds. I was very young. Probably aged about 8. Mum used to play piano also but only at home.
When did you first start taking interest in music?
I took an interest from about 4 years of age. Mum and Dad used to always play country music records on the record player and they remember me sitting at the piano working the melodies of the songs out with one finger, this continued as I never really found TV that interesting. They continued to watch with amazement every time I sat there working it all out.
What instruments did you learn to play first
Mum and Dad decided to send me for piano lessons from the age of 6. I was definitely my teachers favourite student. I passed all exams with flying colours and performed at many piano evenings with adults in the audience. After 6 years of lessons, I finally gave it up. It was getting hard by grade 6. It was at this stage where you got handed some sheet music and was expected to play it without rehearsing it first. My teacher always knew that I was learning by ear. I could read notes, of course, but found it instantly easier if she played it through once for me. I never regretted giving it up at this stage. I knew it was as far as I wanted to go. I was then 12 of course and more interested in playing around on my bike with all my mates around town.
When did you first get interested in steel guitar and at what age?
I was interested in the steel from about the age of 13 when I started playing bass guitar with my dads country band. I always stood behind the steel player, Kenny Pierce, and was fascinated with the sounds. Dad always bought the van home, and Kenny never minded me taking his steel out the van and setting it up to play around on. I remember it was an old black Fuzzy. It was tatty and even had a pair of mole grips as one of the knee levers. Kenny knew I had played it every time, I seemed to remember I tried different tunings and adjusted pedals and knee levers but never got it back exactly how he had it.. I probably had the mole grips clamped on in the wrong position, and adjusted the legs too.
When did you get your first steel guitar and what make was it?
I bought my first steel when I was 17. I had been playing bass for 4 years behind Kenny and eventually he left, and I jumped in on steel. We got another bass player, had a few practices, and I remember my first gig playing steel with them was at the Theatre Royal in Bury St. Edmunds. John Finlay took me to Maidstone to the Steel Mill and I bought a ZB student. I practiced all the while, I was fascinated with it. We used to play 2 or 3 times a week and after getting home from a gig, I used to set it up and play until I fell asleep on it. The next day, I would be up, practicing. I remember trying to work out Lloyd Green songs, and Tom Brumley too. It was all by ear in them days. Spinning a 12" LP around slowly on the turntable by hand to slow down the music and learn all the notes as best I could.
Did you go to a teacher for steel or did you learn from books or self taught?
As I said above, I was completely self taught, the only book I had was Winnie Winston's steel guitar book. That did help but I found it all a bit easy reading and learning tabs. It was more fun working out material, licks and runs from a pile of LP records that mum and dad had.
Do you read music or tablature?
Yes, I could, but I didn't really find this useful. It was definitely a help learning piano at an early age as nowadays, I record backing tracks and most of the sequences are recorded by playing a midi piano with weighted keys. I have owned this piano for many years. I find it hard to play an organ or a keyboard without weighted keys.
What make strings do you use?
I didn't really experiment with strings, I tried one or two gauge changes so things sounded right to my ears and felt the right tension for my picking style. For many years I have used SIT, this is mainly because they are readily available from John Davis here in the UK. If I got breakages, I remember using Ernie Balls single strings as they could be bought separately from the local music shop in Bury. I played so much, I changed strings a lot. I often used to cut the whole set off when I arrived at a gig just a few minutes before playing. It doesn't take many minutes to stretch them in as long as you really pull on them and stretch them in quick.
What method do you use for blocking?
Palm blocking is mainly my method, but there are a few runs that can only be achieved by pick blocking, especially those runs played on strings 1,2,3 and 4. You do need to learn both ways, but this comes with practice, but you must practice the right licks.
Who are your favourite players?
Lloyd Green, Tom Brumley and I really admire Doug Jernigan live and anything that Mike Johnson records. There are many others, but these are my top 4.
What tunings do you use?
I have tried twice in 35 years to understand the C6th but gave it up on both occasions. I stick now with E9th with a pad. I can't see me changing again, I have tried 11 and 12 stringed steels but never found them comfortable.
What steel guitar do you currently play and what amp do you play through?
I have been fortunate enough in the the last 5 years to have played Rains. They have been good to me and in 2007 they decided there was a lot of interest in my setup as it differed to the standard, and Rains decided to make a signature Hartley steel available. I have always owned just one steel guitar but now have the ShoBud also. I have changed the Rains every year. The most recent red and pewter two tone Hartley steel is not going anywhere. Is is the best looking steel I have ever had and plays like a dream.
Have you played with any bands if so who?
Silver Ace for many years was my dads band. I have worked for many local bands and backed many American artists in the Mervyn Conn days of the wembly festival.
Have you ever recorded or done TV work?
There was a few occasions where shows were televised, but I remember Dianne Solomon had her own TV show years ago, and that was a great experience doing that with her. We done a few VERY classy gigs in Cannes too!
What steel conventions have you played?
I remember my first was at Gerry Hogans and I took my band with me too. I remember being nervous as I was the band leader at that show and had to announce the instrumentals in front of an audience of steel players. I don't have trouble now, I have played enough years to have the confidence to busk my way through an instrumental even if I haven't played it before. I love Dallas TSGA and have been a visitor and player there every year since 2007.
Do you remember your first gig?
Er? Nope....apart from the Theatre Royal gig being my first live gig playing steel, but I had been playing Bass Guitar with that band for 4 years previous so don't remember that first one. It would have definitely been a local village hall gig. We was always out every weekend at least once, sometimes 3 or 4 times a week.
What is your favourite style of music?
Without a doubt, Pure traditional country music with steels fiddles is my favourite.
What advice would you give a player who is just starting out?
Get a nice sound from you instrument, it's pointless trying to learn from records if you're not sounding like "you fit in". Only learn licks and tunes that you want to learn. Don't learn any tab if it doesn't appeal to you. You must enjoy what you are learning. If I heard a steel in a record that I never liked the sound of, or the players licks and runs didn't appeal to my ear, I wouldn't learn it. But, I would learn EVERYTHING that I did like. Don't be afraid to leave the steel practicing for a few days, it does you good to have a break. I never practice much now, but there is occasions when I hear something on a country music radio program that pricks up my ears, then I would download that song on iTunes and learn it.
Is there anything else that you would like to add?
Enjoy your steel, buy everything you can afford to get the sound you want from an early time in your learning, hearing yourself sounding good will encourage you to want to play it more.
David Hartley