Country vs. Country

Rick McDuffie · Post by **Rick McDuffie** » 14 Nov 2004 5:00 pm

Theresa, are you aware that you get away with murder on here?

If anybody else had said that, they'd have been eaten alive. Apparently you're bulletproof. Use your superpowers with prudence.

Walter Stettner · Post by **Walter Stettner** » 15 Nov 2004 1:07 pm

Smiley, I'd rather like to see Red become a millionaire than some of these new "country acts"

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Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 15 Nov 2004 2:33 pm

All expresions are mirrors of the time they are made in.
Maybe in 50 years EMINEM's kind of music will be called country

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 15 Nov 2004 3:45 pm

Johan, the way it's going, probably more like 2 years.

Charles French · Post by **Charles French** » 17 Nov 2004 7:16 am

There's two things you should never debate, Politics or Religion. Now there's three, Music!

The problem we have is that Country music is represented and controlled by one entity (Nashville). We can argue till hell freezes over about what's country and what's not. It isn't gonna change anything. They could care less as to wheather you or I like it or not. We're not the target, the listening public has been groomed to buy into these artist the Country Music Association promote. I would think the average age of record buyers are between 15 & 30. For this majority, they buy into what is avialable and promoted. There's not 1 in 100,000 that appreciates our rich heritage of music. How many of these buyers do you think are gripping about the CMA's? Not one, they're sitting there playing air guitar and diggin it. These people love it when the Montgomery Gentry dude stomps across the stage spinning a mic stand. It's all about visiualization. Bring on the clowns, the more of a circus act, the more they like it. How do you think they'd like to see Leon & Buddy doing those great twin guitar parts? Well, I can tell you that 99% of them just wouldn't get it. But then they would actually have to understand the musicanship. I know you've sit and listened to Buddy, Leon, Roy or whoever rip off a great lick and almost fell out of your chair. The average listener would never hear this. It would go right over their head. But then they are not musicians, so I don't suppose you'd expect them to understand. Music is not recorded or marketed for musicians! Hell they'd go broke, because the standards would be so high. There are no standards with the consumer. Only that they need plenty of eye candy and smoke and mirrows.

In the early days of Nashville, conservatism was held as the foundation of Country Music. But this measuring stick excluded many of the great musicians, Willie, Waylon etc. So, I can see why certain standards don't always work. The ideal solution would be a "New Music Association". There are a lot of independent artist out there that will never get recorded in the current system. I also think there is a hugh market for this music.

We can gripe all we want about the CMA, but like the old saying, "You can gripe in one hand and spit in the other and see which fills up faster" Less explicit! Take religion for instance. Why are there so many different religions? People don't see eye to eye on doctrines and practices! Why is there only ONE Country Music Association?
We "Let it Be"

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Rick Garrett · Post by **Rick Garrett** » 17 Nov 2004 7:45 am

I heard an old Nashville Musician once said that he thought that it was Dick Clarks fault when country music started down hill. He said when Clark came to Nashville and started dealing with the marketing of certain products that his opinion controlled what was played and recorded. I don't know about that myself but I thought it was interesting and I wonder if it has merrit?

Rick

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 17 Nov 2004 7:50 am

"The music is sold by lawyers, and the fools who fiddle in the middle of the station are gone."

"Cherokee Fiddle" by Michael Murphey.

Cal, as usual, is right on the money. You arrive in a new town, hungry at dinner time. Do you seek out a local mom/pop place and take a risk, or go the safe route and head for Denny's, Chili's, McD's, etc.?

No reply needed to that last question. It doesn't really matter. There are no more mom/pop places to eat.

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Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 17 Nov 2004 8:35 am

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Delvin Morgan · Post by **Delvin Morgan** » 24 Nov 2004 7:25 pm

There are a few little clubs that still play just for the music. I go to one in tiny Sandstone,MN, where mostly local talent and a few past country "stars" put on some great country music shows. So the music is still out there. And hope it lasts forever.

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Gene H. Brown · Post by **Gene H. Brown** » 24 Nov 2004 9:17 pm

You ain't even gonna have smoke filled bars very much longer when the governments force everyone to quit smoking. I'm not a smoker, but I think that has something to say about freedom and rights!

Leslie Ehrlich · Post by **Leslie Ehrlich** » 25 Nov 2004 3:02 pm

How about bars with clean air? The right of someone to breathe clean air should outweigh the 'right' of someone who wants to pollute the air. Ever since bars went smoke free where I live, I enjoy coming home without my clothes smelling like a can of tobacco.

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 25 Nov 2004 4:20 pm

So all forms of music changes and evolves. The music flows toward the young folks. The young folks want to change the music to what they want to hear and play. Those young folks become in charge and produce what the young listeners want to hear. A whole generation of us been there done that folks will not stem the natural tide of forward movement.

Decry all you want the new suits in charge, they will prevail. In time, they too will become out of touch and wonder how such a thing could happen.

Quityouroldmanbelly aching and acceptthe futureisuponus.

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 25 Nov 2004 5:11 pm

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Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 25 Nov 2004 5:19 pm

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 25 Nov 2004 6:16 pm

I wish I could write like Shania & Mutt!

Yeah, and I wish they could write as good as Boudleaux and Felice, or Willie Nelson, or Roger Miller, or Cindy Walker, or Bill Anderson, or Leon Payne, or Fred Rose, etc., etc., etc..

Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 26 Nov 2004 5:54 am

I just wish the kids would leave my radio alone in my truck!i turn the key on,and it shakes the ground with that crap!takes 1 hr. to find a country station.young ones are smart,they know how to program these radios,and i don't. Thanks guys farris

Don Joslin · Post by **Don Joslin** » 30 Nov 2004 6:12 am

I was gonna start a new thread but this seems a more appropriate place to tell this story. This morning on our local 'country' station, the morning crew dj's were taking a poll from listeners. On Friday they will play the top 10 requested Christmas songs. One of the dj's was reading the list of requested songs. He said, "'Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer' by Gene Autry."

The female dj said, "No, it has to be a country song."

Don

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Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 30 Nov 2004 6:11 pm

Donny--You wished they could write like Roger Miller? Well, Dang me and let me skate in a Buffalo herd, then skip a rope! I think Roger would like SAVE THE HORSE AND RIDE THE COWBOY. Back then some folks were saying "What's happened to our good old hillbilly music, what's with this country music and who is this Willie Nelson?"
Don--Add to the list GRANDMA GOT RUN OVER BY A REINDEER--now that's country! Joe

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 30 Nov 2004 7:09 pm

Joe, Don't forget that Roger wrote more than humour. He also wrote lines like In A World So Full Of Love and Not Enough To Go Around. Or My Ears Should Burn When Fools Are Talked About. Or I've Got Half A Mind To Leave You But Only Half The Heart To Go.

Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 30 Nov 2004 7:33 pm

Crag Yes he wrote some great songs,but what songs got the air play and where his best sellers? King of The Road ,Skip A Rope,etc. Like today, and more so ,radio dosn't always play the best of the artist work, and that goes for Big and Rich and many of todays artists. If we would listen to the other songs on the CD,s and not just the ones they play on the radio, we might say-some of this new country music is not bad. Joe

Alvin Blaine · Post by **Alvin Blaine** » 30 Nov 2004 8:59 pm

Crag Yes he wrote some great songs,but what songs got the air play and where his best sellers? King of The Road ,Skip A Rope,etc. Like today, and more so ,radio dosn't always play the best of the artist work, and that goes for Big and Rich and many of todays artists. If we would listen to the other songs on the CD,s and not just the ones they play on the radio, we might say-some of this new country music is not bad. Joe

"Skip A Rope" was by Henson Cargill and was written as a social protest song about raising children with no moral decency.
Henson Cargill is from Oklahoma, just like Roger Miller.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 1 Dec 2004 6:03 am

Joe,
I've been saying that for years!

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 1 Dec 2004 6:11 am

www.hensoncargill.com

"Skip a Rope"

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 1 Dec 2004 6:21 am

Oh yeah, Henson Cargill. I backed him up one weekend in 1971 at the Jack O' Diamonds club in Palmdale CA. Nice guy and good performer. Wasn't he the sheriff's son? That's country!

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Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 1 Dec 2004 7:00 am

So I picked the wrong song, So Dang Me

. Joe