Anyone drop/raise E's on the right knee?

Nic du Toit · Post by **Nic du Toit** » 12 Apr 2005 12:25 am

Bob,
During 1980 I was fortunate to be in one of Jeff Newman's week long classes held at his place. Being from South Africa he allowed me to play on one of his many steels. It was a S10 Shobud with the E string drop and raise on the left knee. Felt strange, but got used to it after 10 minutes or so.
During the course he spent some time on explaining why certain levers are situated where they are. He then explained the advantages in swopping the 4th string drop to RL and the raise to the RR position. ( "You may want to think of changing the levers around").
I think that when you are one of the leading players you constantly have to try new combinations etc., and the contually swopping of levers become par for the course. Being a parttime player my brain won't allow me to get muddled with new setups.
I'll keep mine as it is.
Both my SD10 and D10 emmons's are setup in this way.

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Howard Tate · Post by **Howard Tate** » 12 Apr 2005 1:49 am

The same as Klaus. It feels right to me, but what do I know?

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Archie Nicol R.I.P. · Post by **Archie Nicol R.I.P.** » 12 Apr 2005 1:53 am

I do now and it feels weird.

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Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 12 Apr 2005 4:53 am

Bob,

I play a U-12 Williams and I moved my E lower lever from LKR to RKL.
My E raise lever is LKL.

After reading here on the Forum all the pros and cons of where and why to put the raise/lower levers where they are, I decided to make this change.

Mainly it was none other than one of Uncle b0b's posts that sealed my contemplating making this change.

The main reason is so that a real smooth transition can be made going:
E raise - E open - E lower

Over the years, I've experimented, probably like many here, with moving knees and what they do, over and over.

Once the new move is made, it really doesn't take that long to get used to it.

I'm liking this E lever change.

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Jerry Hayes R.I.P. · Post by **Jerry Hayes R.I.P.** » 12 Apr 2005 4:55 am

Hey Bob, I lower my E's on RKR and raise them on RKL like you do. When I got my first 12 string (ShoBud) in the 70's it came from the factory with the E lowers on RKL and the raises on LKL. I changed the lowers to the LKR as that's the way Buddy E. does it but when I started to go the Universal route it didn't work for me. RKR is the "natural" way to play a U-12. If you have to hold a knee lever for an extended period it's the only way to go. Just try this: Set in a chair with your knees about 6 inches apart, relax your legs. They don't fall together do they? They fall apart so RKR is the natural way. Have a good 'un..JH in Va.

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Darvin Willhoite · Post by **Darvin Willhoite** » 12 Apr 2005 5:03 am

I lower the E's with my RKR, but I raise them with my LKR. I didn't have the E to F change until about 12 or 13 years ago and the LKR was the easiest place to put it on the guitar I had at the time. Now I'm used to it and like it there.

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MARK GILES · Post by **MARK GILES** » 13 Apr 2005 6:40 am

I also do it the old MSA way, however, I raise the E's to F#. That's the way they came on my first steel, a Howard S-10.

Dan Hatfield · Post by **Dan Hatfield** » 13 Apr 2005 6:53 am

Bob, my old Zum is set up exactly like yours. It works great for me. Dan

Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 13 Apr 2005 8:42 am

I have my E-lower on RKL and E-raise on RKR.
That way I don't have to twist in strange ways to raise the E's and use the A-pedal.

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Robbie Daniels · Post by **Robbie Daniels** » 13 Apr 2005 9:09 am

I have lowered my E's with LR knee lever for 40 years and rather than using C pedal I raise E whole tone with RR knee lever. Works for me.

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Sonny Jenkins · Post by **Sonny Jenkins** » 13 Apr 2005 12:43 pm

Yeh Bob,,,that's the way I do mine on my Kline Universal,,,exactly like Jeff Newman did,,,Day pedal set-up and all

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 13 Apr 2005 2:43 pm

I bought a new Sho-Bud D-10 in 1983 and it came from Music City Mfg set-up to lower the E's to Eb with RKL and to raise the E's to F# with LKL.

I've never found any reason to change it on any of the guitars I've owned since!

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Larry Robbins · Post by **Larry Robbins** » 13 Apr 2005 2:47 pm

I have the same set-up as Gene...never saw a need to change it either!....and if its good enough for Gene....

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Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 13 Apr 2005 3:13 pm

Thank's Larry....if I could only convince my wife of the validity of your comment!

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Leon Eneboe · Post by **Leon Eneboe** » 13 Apr 2005 6:13 pm

After reading the above posts, it becomes obvious why you don't sit up to someone elses PSG and "take off". If the levers and pedals are different from yours, it is like trying to type with the letters rearranged on the key board. The right arrangement???well it is the one you are used to I suppose.