Chess peices and card suits on fingerboards

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 3 Feb 2003 12:56 pm

BobG,

It is of course "gambling". It is that and Halloween, Christmas and soo many other things, that were indeed considered a sin when first done. And some for valid reasons.

Fortunately, for cards, Christmas, Halloween, etc. the meaning has LONG since changed drastically from how it got started. And it is the meaning that is important, NOT the physical. But habits and traditions, etc are hard to break.

A sin much greater than gambling or any other sin almost; is making the "law" MORE one's God than God himself. This is sad and has been practiced forever.

Man has often put much more emphasis on "thou shall not", than the meaning of "thou shalt not". In many many instances, it is the "you can't do that" that drives beliefs instead of bringing the love of Jesus into one's heart.

When the latter happens, all else is moot. Because when that happens, a person has fulfilled totally ALL the commandments in their hearts. And THAT is what our Lord and Savior wanted; AND sees in a person.

God bless you all,

carl

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 3 Feb 2003 1:55 pm

Response to Jerry Hayes:
Jerry, I take great offense at your crack concerning Baptists. I am a Baptist and I have sex quite often standing up! I think I've even had it once or twice with my wife!
I don't dance though.
Uff-Da!

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 3 Feb 2003 2:20 pm

Hey Carl, as relates to your post---We had a sign in front of our(Baptist)church.
"Jesus said-Ye fishers of men-You catch 'em, I'll clean 'em!"
I think that covers it, don't you?
And Erv----AT YOUR AGE??????

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 3 Feb 2003 2:30 pm

LOL, Erv!
Speaking of playing solo, is Solitare considered sinful?

What about cards with Christian symbols ?

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 3 Feb 2003 3:32 pm

Can we get back onto the steel guitar aspect of this topic, please?

slick · Post by **slick** » 3 Feb 2003 4:43 pm

Was this about steel guitar?

Wayne Broyles

Don McClellan · Post by **Don McClellan** » 3 Feb 2003 6:31 pm

The reason the card symbols were chosen by the Sho-Bud people is because there are 4 different card symbols and a fretboard needs (or can neatly accommodate anyway) 4 different symbols. On Kline guitars the fretboard has the 4 basic math symbols; add, subtract, multiply and divide.
If you take little things like this too seriously, you're gambling with your mental health. You can bet that's a bad idea. Just take the hand you're dealt and do your best. After all, a Sho-Bud could be in the cards for you. Unless, of course, the deck is stacked aginst you. In which case I'd say let the chips fall where they may.
Is strip poker gambling?
When your my age it is!

Carter York · Post by **Carter York** » 4 Feb 2003 2:23 pm

Can anyone elaborate on creating a custom fretboard? I can see on my D8 Stringmaster where the 'board' is tacked onto the body. What is that made of, and are there resources for the 'spacing' of the 'frets' and all?
Thanks,
Carter

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 4 Feb 2003 2:33 pm

Carter, A few years ago Carl Dixon provided the following info on fret space calculations.

I saved it in my files and reprint it without permission.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"Get a cheap calculator. Just make sure it is capable of figuring to 12 points beyond the decimal point whether or not it displays all these digits.

Find the 12th root of the digit two. Divide 24 (24" scale as an example), by that number, continue to divide each answer by that same factor. That will accurately give you the exact distance from the changer each fret is, and you can take it to its practical limits.

Round off all your calculations to 2 or 3 digits beyond the decimal point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Carl.
[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 04 February 2003 at 05:49 PM.]

Fred Jack · Post by **Fred Jack** » 4 Feb 2003 5:47 pm

Erv, did you ever try it standing in a hammock??

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 5 Feb 2003 7:01 am

Fred:
ONLY ONCE!!!!!

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 5 Feb 2003 8:46 am

I'm responsible for the Sho~Bud fret board and Don McClellen summed it up in his first sentence. I think you can make something out of anything if you choose to do so. There are too many card games played for pure enjoyment to take the offensive side of card symbols seriously. I haven't heard anybody associate my Emmons guitar atom symbols with the bombing of Hiroshima yet, but I'd be safe in saying that they're out there.

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 5 Feb 2003 9:03 am

Thanks, Buddy. That solves that question.

Now about the atoms, why atoms?

I'll bet it's a modern space age connection.

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 5 Feb 2003 9:29 am

Joey,
You are correct. The modern space age connection is the reason I chose the atoms. I wanted a guitar ahead of its time and as it turned out, Ron Lashley delivered my first guitar a month before I expected it, so I was very pleased. (I made that last part up)

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 5 Feb 2003 1:52 pm

Man, is this a cool Forum, or what? We got BUDDY EMMONS to settle this one?? MAN, is this a cool place to hang out!!

Eugene Cole · Post by **Eugene Cole** » 5 Feb 2003 1:54 pm

My thanks to all of you that provided on-topic responses. To the rest of you... staying on topic was just just not in the CARDS.
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The fret markers on Merle Travis' guitar neck, the one Paul Bigsby made for Merle's Martin D28 were hearts, diamonds, et cetera.
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My List:
ZB Custom: uses Greco-Roman Helmets and Shields on fretboards.
Tom Morrell and Danny Shields selected chess pieces for fret markers (pre-MSA).
Fessenden uses longhorn markers on fretboards.
Kline guitars the fretboard has the 4 basic math symbols; add, subtract, multiply and divide.
Emmons guitars depict Atoms of the fret board.
Pedalmaster uses variations on diamonds.
Fulawka uses dots and triangles.
Mullen uses something sort of like a fleur del lis.
Sierra wenk with hexagons.
Harmos guitars display traingles, squares, and cirles (and their guitars look really wild).
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So who is this Buudy Emmons from: Hermitage TN. that claims "I'm responsible for the Sho~Bud fret board..."? Does he play Steel?
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To Fred Jack: I too tried it standing in a hammock but I could not access the pedals and knee levers.

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Regards
-- Eugene at FJ45.com

[This message was edited by Eugene Cole on 19 November 2004 at 10:44 AM.]

Kevin Mincke · Post by **Kevin Mincke** » 5 Feb 2003 8:25 pm

Wow! After all that is it still ok if I play my SuperPro in church without the card symbols covered up? Oh ya.......it's Baptist!
"And on an instrument of ten strings I will praise him" Psalms 144

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 6 Feb 2003 7:20 am

Kevin:
Yes you can play it in your Baptist Church. Only you have to keep your eyes closed so you don't look at them. That's what I did before I covered them up! Now I play an Emmons and don't have a problem.
Uff-Da!
p.s. Also look up Psalms 33:2 and Psalms 92:3
In the King James as the translations vary.[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 06 February 2003 at 07:23 AM.]

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 6 Feb 2003 7:37 am

Okay heres the answer. The Jews don't recognize Jesus Christ as the son of God. The Protestants don't recognize the Pope as the head of the Christian church. The Catholics don't recognize the Church of England, and the Baptists don't recognize each other when they are playing a steel guitar show using their Sho-Buds with card suit fret boards.

Rex Thomas · Post by **Rex Thomas** » 6 Feb 2003 8:22 am

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 6 Feb 2003 8:31 am

Kevin... LOL! Nice summary of the current state of theology in the West.

Solution: A steel guitar that has an image of Osama Bin Laden on the third fret, Yassir Arafat on the fifth fret, Saddam Hussein on the seventh fret, Ayatollah Khomeini on the ninth fret, and all four on the twelfth.

Some forumites might like this group: Karl Marx on the third fret, Stalin on the fifth, Mao Tse-Tung on the seventh, Lenin on the ninth, etc.

How about Hitler on the first fret, Goebbels on the third, Hermann Goering on fifth, and Dr. Josef Mengele on the ninth, and a panorama of Auschwitz on the 12th?

Certainly these are less offensive than those sinful CARD SYMBOLS!

Hey, come on... it's only a suggestion!!

[This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 06 February 2003 at 08:39 AM.]

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 6 Feb 2003 11:57 am

Kevin, I love it!

Erv

Eugene Cole · Post by **Eugene Cole** » 6 Feb 2003 2:12 pm

Herb your suggestions for famous faces has some merit.

I played a 6 string about 25 years ago from a company called Alembic. The guitar had a fairly plain finger board; a few dots as I recall. However this guitar had lighted position markers on the side of the neck. This was a pretty cool feature given what else was in the marketplace at the time. Truth be told the little lights were the least significant feature on this guitar: it was the awesome electronics (I was awed) that set this guitar apart. But I digress. 8^)

Regardless of what is printed on the fretboard it is still the other things that really make a difference when we are playing.

I have often thought that back-lighted fret markers that were dim-able would be a nifty feature (so long as they did not generate electrical noise). At some point in the late 1980's I cut thin strips of "glow in the dark" tape and placed them over the frets on my Dobro. They were easier to see than the (unpolished corroded) frets. It was fun to crank up the Black Light and play "in the dark." They peeled off after a few months but they were a good (at the time) solution.

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Regards
-- Eugene@FJ45.com

Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 6 Feb 2003 3:38 pm

I would like to see the steel guitar to have dunce caps on the fret board--this would reflect my playing ability and intelligence. I would not be offended. Joe

Kevin Mincke · Post by **Kevin Mincke** » 6 Feb 2003 6:23 pm

Ohhhh......Kevin is right on track