20 String single neck Emmons!

Ernie Renn · Post by **Ernie Renn** » 27 Dec 2006 12:36 pm

More information: HERE!

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Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 27 Dec 2006 2:18 pm

I think it would take me a while to recognize the difference (i.e. placement) between strings 10 and string 11. Gettin' down around 13, 14 and 15 it would take a whole new look and a lot of lookin' at...
Awesome.

Charles Curtis · Post by **Charles Curtis** » 27 Dec 2006 2:33 pm

Once again, IMO, this evinces the genious of Ron Lashley Sr. in producing this guitar. How long will it take before Ron Sr. will take his place in the SGHOF?

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 27 Dec 2006 2:50 pm

I think the strings are tuned in pairs, aren't they? Like a 12 string guitar? Buddy said it's tuned in octaves, so that's what I'm assuming.

Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 27 Dec 2006 2:58 pm

Shot poured syrup on it?

strange days...

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 27 Dec 2006 3:29 pm

What is the"Singing Strings"album?

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C. Christofferson · Post by **C. Christofferson** » 27 Dec 2006 3:39 pm

I wouldnt be suprised if the tiger tail was from the 'tiger in your tank' era when, for a bout a year, tiger tails could be seen hanging out from numerous automobile gas caps.

A. J. Schobert · Post by **A. J. Schobert** » 27 Dec 2006 5:45 pm

never ever put a tiger tail to your guitar that is not normal, some humor I will never understand, I don't think that this "collector" PSG would fetch much.

Frank Freniere · Post by **Frank Freniere** » 27 Dec 2006 7:35 pm

Amazing!

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 27 Dec 2006 10:40 pm

What was the copedent?

Ernie Renn · Post by **Ernie Renn** » 28 Dec 2006 4:16 am

Tuning was E9. Pedals were 1 & 2.

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Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 28 Dec 2006 4:32 am

Nobody knows anything about the album this guitar was used on?

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John Daugherty · Post by **John Daugherty** » 28 Dec 2006 5:12 am

And to think..... you can get the same sound with a chorus effect.

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Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Dec 2006 5:35 am

What is the"Singing Strings"album?

Most likely, that's referring to the 1963 Starday album "The Singing Strings of Steel and Dobro", with Buddy and Shot Jackson.

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 28 Dec 2006 6:20 am

Donny,I have heard that that album is to be reissued...but it has been a couple of years since I heard that...is that the record with"Sunday in Dixie"on it?

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Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 28 Dec 2006 6:23 am

...and would there have been an Emmons guitar in 1963?I'm coming up with a 1965 release date(which may or may not be correct) everywhere I look...that would explain the Emmons guitar,anyway.

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Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Dec 2006 6:47 am

...would there have been an Emmons guitar in 1963?I'm coming up with a 1965 release date(which may or may not be correct)

No, I believe the first Emmons was made in '64.

Yes, several sites do list a '65 release date for that album, but according to my best information, it was released in 1963. Perhaps there was a second pressing in 1965?

...is that the record with"Sunday in Dixie"on it?

No, that song is from the '65 album "Stars of the Steel Guitar"[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 28 December 2006 at 07:08 AM.]

Tommy Minniear · Post by **Tommy Minniear** » 28 Dec 2006 7:04 am

Additional comments:
"Shot Jackson heard about my using a dual string guitar called "Shoo Bug" on the Singing Strings session so he went by the Columbia studio after we left and poured syrup on it. It left a sticky mess on the strings and fret board but by that time we had recorded the instrumental (which I can't remember the name), and I took the guitar home and cleaned it up."

It doesn't sound to me like Shot was part of this recording. Could this have been one of the Cherokee Cowboys instrumental LP's?

Tommy Minniear[This message was edited by Tommy M on 28 December 2006 at 07:06 AM.]

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 28 Dec 2006 7:32 am

Steve and Donny
According to Ron Lashley Sr., in a letter I have from that year, there were a VERY FEW prototype Emmons guitars made in late '63. They were still experimenting with finishes and leverages. I know of one owned by a man in NY state that is a lacquer cabinet model he got from RL in Nov. or Dec. of '63 (his memory).

But the actual selling of the guitars we'd now recognize as Emmons Originals didn't begin until 1964, as you both have alluded to.

That horn of Buddy's is a piece of work. I've only seen one double-string Sho-Bud, now owned by Chas Smith, and it's a behemoth. Must be a real day at the beach to tune up and keep that way.

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Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Dec 2006 7:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"...he went by the Columbia studio after we left..."

It doesn't sound to me like Shot was part of this recording. Could this have been one of the Cherokee Cowboys instrumental LP's? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would make sense, Tommy, since Ray was with Columbia. I also have the "Western Strings" album, and maybe that's the one he's (Buddy) referring to. There's a "talking-steel" song on there that may feature the guitar in question.

Buddy Charleton also used an "octaved" guitar (a 16-string Sho-Bud) on the ET&LL album "Mr. and Mrs. Used-To-Be".

edit: I just listened to the "Western Strings"album again, and the version of "Maiden's Prayer" on it also features the "octaved" steel![This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 28 December 2006 at 07:47 AM.]

Tommy Minniear · Post by **Tommy Minniear** » 28 Dec 2006 8:00 am

Donny,
I think we may be onto something here.

Appreciate your research efforts. I don't own the "Western Strigs" LP , but would like too.
Maybe Buddy will see this thread and clear up the mystery.

Tommy Minniear

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Dec 2006 8:07 am

Yeah, I think the "mystery" is solved! There's some great "Emmons" stuff on that album, and I was lucky enough to find a mint (unplayed) copy last year...still in the shrink wrap.

That's one that should be re-released.

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 30 Dec 2006 1:44 pm

I built a double-neck 24-string non-pedal console steel last year. One neck is tuned E6 in Octaves, and the other E6 in unison.

I built a similar model in 1972 but only strung up one neck.

When I figure out the best place to host photos I'll post a picture.

Gerry Hogan · Post by **Gerry Hogan** » 30 Dec 2006 3:07 pm

Donny,

I'm certain that I heard the "Singing Strings Of Steel Guitar And Dobro" in 1963 - over here in England. I seem to remember hearing Buddy's "Steel Guitar Jazz" album at around the same time. We'd get all sorts of great records from USAF personnel stationed at Greenham Common, our local airbase. I just know that it made me want a pedal steel guitar even more, but it was three more years before I managed to get one!:(

Gerry

Edited for typo (even though we now have a nice "preview" facility!). Thank you, for the great mods, to b0b et al! Happy New Year!

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 31 Dec 2006 1:39 pm

John Daugherty wrote:And to think..... you can get the same sound with a chorus effect.

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Using an effects box doesn't get the same effect. You know the rich effect of holding a triad in C6 tuning and roaring up to a dominant/sub-dominant: with additional octave notes you get an even richer sound.

Remember that a lot of C6 users play octaves by plucking two strings simultaneously: with octave courses that's automatic with just one finger.