Hall of Fame?

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 2 Sep 2006 11:57 am

Unbelievable.

Bobbe Seymour, who does more towards the promotion of the instrument than anyone on the planet, doesn't get in. Why? Hmmm...8 string guitars just to prove a point, no fingerpicks, doesn't block, non-traditional stylist,open minded towards ANYTHING steel related...oops, also has a store, could be favoritism. (insert huge eyeroll here).

Sneaky Pete Kleinow, probably the most *heard* steel guitarist in history ( a lot more people have heard the Rolling Stones than any country recording) and who influenced more young players to take up steel in the 60's/early 70's than anyone, doesn't get in. Why? hmmm...8 string guitar, weird tuning, non-traditional stylist, played (shudder) ROCK music.

So we get two inner-circle guys and somebody probably 3/4 of the players have never heard of. The hard core crowd wins again, and CONTINUES to draw the line in the sand.

Today it's embarrasing to be associated with the instrument, since the organization supposedly promoting it is so obviously political and narrow in its views.

I'd say it's a joke, but it's not funny. It should be embarrasing to the organizers, but instead they're probably happy they kept out the riff-raff.

Sneaky, Bobbe - as far as I'm concerned (and a whole lot of others I'm aware of ) you guys ARE Hall-of Fame members in our book.

This is just an injustice, period.

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 2 Sep 2006 12:22 pm

If you're saying that non-country credentials, or non-standard styles and tuning will keep you out, you're wrong.

A look at the roster will prove that, or ask Jody.

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 2 Sep 2006 12:32 pm

So the 2006 inductees have been announced?Who are they?

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Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 2 Sep 2006 12:34 pm

It's an inside circle political "Hall". If you think I'm wrong, explain why Bobbe and Sneaky could have possibly NOT gotten in?

I'm sure the traditional crowd will find all sorts of "valid" justifications...but to anyone a bit outside the ring, it's so obvious it's almost funny. Some of us aren't blinded by allegiance to "Scotty and his pals".

Steve - Tom Bradshaw, Maurice Anderson, and some guy from the 50's nobody I've talked to so far has ever heard of.

Two inner-circle guys and a token "historical" pick.

Reminds me of a flippin' Moose lodge.[This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 02 September 2006 at 01:36 PM.]

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 2 Sep 2006 12:40 pm

...so who is the'50's guy?

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Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 2 Sep 2006 12:45 pm

I believe Bobbe, Pete, and many other deserving players did not get in because there are only a few awards. Their time will come.

It wasn't too long ago there were complaints that Reese would never get in. I gave the same answer then.

I think insulting the HOF Board is in poor taste. They are all honorable people who do their very best. There's no way to please everyone.

Thom Beeman · Post by **Thom Beeman** » 2 Sep 2006 1:02 pm

Joey, asking because I don't know the answer. Are you a member of the HOF board? Who are these esteemed members?

Why every year someone from out of left field (not politically) gets inducted usually someone nobody but a select few ever heard of?

Why are the choice's of the steel guitar community ignored.

Could this be one of the reason's the ISGC is losing favor and so many other Groups are growing?

As I said I don't know the answer's that's why I'm asking.

Scotty doesn't have a monopoly here and his HOF wall is not carved in gold and the only game in town.

The HOF at the Dallas Jamboree,(for those that don't know, it's called the Jamboree because Scotty raised so much stink at the first show Dallas held because they called it the, Texas Steel Guitar Convention, he demanded the name be changed because he had the one and only "Convention". Charlie Norris being the gentleman and great person that he is, didn't want trouble in the community he loved and changed the name the next year.) honor's the players that have and are contributing to the Steel World. This I don't ask, because I was there and witnessed a childish tantrum first hand.[This message was edited by Thom Beeman on 02 September 2006 at 02:04 PM.]

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 2 Sep 2006 1:11 pm

I'm not a member. I'm not even close to deserving it.
The members are listed at http://scottysmusic.com/abouthof.htm

I'm thru with this post. There's no way to please everyone, and I really don't care much for awards or who gets them.

The members don't need me to defend them.
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Thom Beeman · Post by **Thom Beeman** » 2 Sep 2006 1:19 pm

Joey, thanks for the site reference, will check it out.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 2 Sep 2006 1:23 pm

I think they had an outstanding "class" inducted this year. They all deserved it.

At any award show - CMA, Rock and Roll, Steel Guitar - whatever, there are always someones favorites that didn't get inducted. There are many such as Ferlin Husky that should be in the CMA HOF and isn't but I don't get P.O'd at the committee - just give it time and it will probably happen as it did with Reece.

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 2 Sep 2006 2:04 pm

Jim Sliff. If you knew the real story behind why it has taken so long for Reese Anderson to be inducted into the HOF, you would certainly never refer to him as an "inner circle guy" again. We have gone round and round on this forum for years trying to urge the HOF board to induct Reese and Julian Tharpe. Their absence and the reasons were just so lame. At least one of them has gotten in. I personally am elated that he did.

I am glad the the HOF board got together and did the right thing in inducting Reese Anderson. He certainly deserves it. I congratulate all of them, the inductees and the board.

I especially noted Reese speaking of "forgivness". Class guy.

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 2 Sep 2006 2:28 pm

Is Sneeky on a Rolling Stones record?

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Russ Tkac · Post by **Russ Tkac** » 2 Sep 2006 2:33 pm

Hi Bill,

Are you saying that Reese was kept out this long because of some political reason or as others have said they just didn't have the paperwork right?

I don't know the story but I am curious?

Russ

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 2 Sep 2006 2:45 pm

There was all sorts of personal things going on for years amongst the board about Reese and still towards Julian Tharpe. You can do a search on the forum and you can drudge up post after post about all of it. I just wanted to clear the air about Reese Anderson being some kind of insider. If that were true, why did it take years and years to get him the recognition that he deserves.

I am just glad that the old stuff was set aside in regards to Reese and he was voted in. I don't care who voted for him or against him, it is good to see that the board did the right thing.

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 2 Sep 2006 2:54 pm

"There was all sorts of personal things going on for years amongst the board..."

Well, there you go. It's a secret-handshake boy's lodge. Might as well buy funny hats, guys.

Steve, here's a brief...very brief...reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneaky_Pete_Kleinow

Brett Anderson · Post by **Brett Anderson** » 2 Sep 2006 2:58 pm

Jim, I agree with you that Bobbe and Sneaky belong. Sneaky even a little more urgently so in light of his health problems. But at the end of the day we still can love them and really a HOF membership and $ 1.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Denny's. Wish I were in St. Louis!

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 2 Sep 2006 3:04 pm

Wonder which Rolling Stones record it was?

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Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 2 Sep 2006 3:06 pm

Sneaky and Bobbe could not have been inducted this year because their nominations were not received until this year.

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Richard Gonzales · Post by **Richard Gonzales** » 2 Sep 2006 3:07 pm

Congratulations to Reece and Tom !! Reece is years overdue, for those who have doubts, just look into the years of achievements he has accomplished. The same with Tom, look into their background and I think you have to agree!
Yes, others are deserving, like Bobbee Seymore and they will get theirs in due time.
I felt Reese belonged a long time ago, but that doesn't mean the board choices were not good choices as it is impossible to please everyone. Enjoy Reece, Tom and ? !!!

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 2 Sep 2006 3:10 pm

Jim.

You can call the HOF board whatever you see fit, but it all comes down to the fact that the board finally did the right thing here in regards to Reese Anderson. Be glad he got in, and Bradshaw too.

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ebb · Post by **ebb** » 2 Sep 2006 3:19 pm

it only matters if you recognize the self appointed HOF as something more than it is. i think scotty has done a great service to the community through a lot of sustained effort and personal sacrifice and so i dont mind his HOF. but i have my own personal hof which already has sneaky and gabby pahinui in it.

Larry Robbins · Post by **Larry Robbins** » 2 Sep 2006 3:35 pm

Read Herb's post.
He KNOWS from where he speaks!!
We can Bitch about Bobby and Sneaky NEXT year....maybe...

Thanks Herb for adding that bit of info that many here seem to have forgotten.

ebb · Post by **ebb** » 2 Sep 2006 3:44 pm

so the nominations have to come from outside the committee only?

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 2 Sep 2006 4:43 pm

To Jim Sliff:

I posted a theory I'd been made privy to here just after his death, and I'm looking for it in the archives, that with my friend Winnie, and his opposition, "out of the way" so to speak, that Mr Bradshaw would be offered an induction which might "epiphanize" him into dropping his long standing opposition to Mr Anderson's induction..

I think Jeff Newmann's unfortunate accident figured in there too, ending his reported oposition, but I didn't correspond with him like I did with Winnie. The quote I did hear attributed to him finally came to pass though.. I forget whose live body replaced his on the "board"..

Looks like it all "worked" and my inside source was accurate. Truly a "plan coming together".

I agree with you, and I don't think you're insulting "The Board" any more than I am. At best they are standing up and being counted. I suppose, at the risk of "self appointment". No crime in my state, though there are inherent downsides..

It's very true that the Board of the SGHOF is not representative of the majority of pedal steel players. I don't remember nor have I heered of any one of the hundred or so guys I've known that are working players over the years voting for any one of them.

It's a little microcosm of personalities, and a study of personal politics that arise in the infancy of an instrument.

It's certainly not all bad, but by the same token, it's not all good either. It just is.

I don't have an ox that was gored in this one..

Let the instrument develop for another hundred years, and I'm sure all the little bumps in it's "society" will even out.

Half of the guys in the SGHOF, I've never heard of, nor would I recognize their playing.

Hell, after 30 years and thousands of live steel gigs, I'm turning back into a guitar player, so it's pretty much academic..

My kudos to them for agreeing to endure human imperfection, and participate, at the risk of showing theirs.

I also agree with you about Bobbe and Pete.

Now mayhaps the hoards of people that have been praying like scalded dogs for this outcome can get back to praying for World Peace...

EJL [This message was edited by Eric West on 03 September 2006 at 12:14 PM.]

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 2 Sep 2006 5:24 pm

"Oh pweeze, pweeze, ewect my heewoe."

"He's so gud, and all dem udders are so bad."

"I never even heared of dat guy."

"Pweeze, puty pweeze, pick my favwit!"

"Awww, dey picked sumbuddy else, dey didn't pick my favwit"

Yep. That's about what it sounds like.