Most logical ISGA 05 inductees?

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 3 Jul 2005 11:25 am

Mike with all due respect...and some not so due..i find it amazing how some people can participate, and justify, character assassination, from something someone else was SUPPOSE to have said, and neither of these gentlemen are here to defend themselfs. Mike this is an attribute unbecoming of you. I knew both Julian, and Jeff..and that is a statement Jeff Newman would not make about ANYONE. Please do not belittle the memory of Jeff, by making these absurd remarks that this Christian man was suppose to have made. You never once mentioned the fact that Mr Tharpe was one of the top players in the world. Just goes to show how near sighted you are. Instead of finding fault with a great musician, we should try to remember those for their contributions, and achievements that are still admired today. You DID NOT know Julian, and i rather doubt he would care what you thought of him anyway...but again with due respect sir..this is not the place for personal condemnation. It does not promote a positive image for steel guitar, and it berates all of us. Mike lets try to look at our predeccessors, for their contributions, not their faults. It would be both positive, and would do so much more to promote steel guitar in the sight of others.I think the fact that Julian played steel guitar better then most on the planet should mean something. Here again, if you don't play the game, you pay the pain..If it were know, the off colored things some of the great players already in the hall of fame have done..i wonder if they would have been inducted either! I and several others have nominated and nominated, and nominated...However, you can nominate, anytime of the year, and it will be carried over. So nominate Myron, i do encourage you and others like Bobby said!..humm..i wonder if the HOF members know how much i admire Julian Tharpe..maybe since i stopped trying to nominate him, and Reece, maybe now they might stand a chance of actually getting in! Sadly, i am one of those that read that HOF letter floating around, disturbing... The word "Black Listed" comes to mind!

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Mark Krutke · Post by **Mark Krutke** » 3 Jul 2005 11:27 am

Has Reece and/or Julian been legitimately nominated, and if so, how many times? This seems to be the first step in getting them to the HOF. We can then say we've done our part.

What b0b has done for the online steel world certainly warrants his induction

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Walter Stettner · Post by **Walter Stettner** » 3 Jul 2005 11:42 am

Here we go again...

Kind Regards, Walter

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George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 3 Jul 2005 11:58 am

Mr Perlowin, i notice in your profile you list your interest in order of priority as.."Sex, Drugs, Steel Guitar"... now, i have never heard you play sir, but according to The Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame, you would never be inducted either..no matter how great you played, and what tuning, or style you may have created!

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Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 3 Jul 2005 12:54 pm

How many more records does a SGHOF member sell? How many more sessions? Endorsements??
We all have our personal favorites, but I think HowardR hit it---let's give the award to the guy who makes the plaques!

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 3 Jul 2005 12:59 pm

George, my "sex drugs and rock and Roll" line was an attempt at humor. However much it may be in bad taste, nobody in this community can say I ever stole a dime from them. We all have our faults, and we can overlook many of them, but not stealing.

Not withstanding all that, I don't deserve to be in the hall of fame because I don't meet the qualifications. I'm not that great a player, and I certainly haven't made the kinds of contributions necessary to receive that honor.

It's true I never met Julian Tharpe, but I know 2 highly respected members of our community who both told me that he ripped them off.

Since I am not on the nominating committee, and as b0b points out, it's not a popularity contest and we have no say in who gets in or not, it doesn't make any difference.

But for whatever it's worth, I believe the two guys who told me Tharpe did not deal with them honestly, and I think that the members of the nominating committee do too.

If they see fit to either disbelieve this or ignore it, then Tharpe will be inducted. My guess is that they will not.

Either way it's out of your and my hands.

Paul King · Post by **Paul King** » 3 Jul 2005 1:38 pm

There have been some great players mentioned here that may never make the Hall Of Fame. All that I am aware of that Sonny Garrish has ever done has played and recorded for years. I realize he stays out of the public eye and is not a member here but his accomplishments speak for themselves. I wish we could put a lot of things in the past aside and honor some of these men for what they have done for the steel guitar. I guess we will find out when September rolls around.

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 3 Jul 2005 2:50 pm

sorry Mike, but i don't see the "Humor" in your profile. I guess i'm missing something here. Again you can choose to belive whom ever you wish. But i will stand by my statement, that you do the entire steel guitar community a disservice by repeating such garbage. And it reflects poorly on yourself as well. I would think you could better serve our Forum, by more worth while projects, and less bad taste attacks on individuals. Again calling someone a thief, who you have never met or talked to is in poor taste anywhere in the world, not just this forum sorry...by the replies here that i have read..you stand alone.....

Since I am not on the nominating committee, and as b0b points out, it's not a popularity contest and we have no say in who gets in or not, it doesn't make any difference.

Slandering someone always makes a difference to the loved ones of the person you are slandering...
Seems to me there was this young rebellious fellow who hung around Nashville, drank, i'm sure did drugs, didn't show up for playing dates, ran around with women while he was married, i am sure beat someone out of a few bucks, if even for a bottle of booze, had a radical style, and conducted his life and dealings in a less then appropriate manner..they told him he didn't fit in..and even threw him off the opry....umm who was that now? ummm Hank somebody...
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Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 3 Jul 2005 3:31 pm

I would go with Reece, Julian,Winnie, and Sonny. As far as personal past let us not forget that some of the guys in there now were not angels and had their own snakes to kill. Yet we loved them anyway. I think we should let God decide about the good and bad instead of us, and somehow those guys need to be in there.

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 3 Jul 2005 8:20 pm

Don't know if he's already in the HOF, but my vote goes to Sneaky Pete.

Dan Sawyer · Post by **Dan Sawyer** » 3 Jul 2005 8:39 pm

My vote goes for Sonny Garrish. I'm really surprised he's not in there already!

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 3 Jul 2005 9:22 pm

I'm with Skip Edwards - I think it's an embarrasment that Sneaky Pete Kleinow isn't in there already. He's influenced more younger steel players than half the guys on the list put together. But he's apparently just not "conventional" enough for the conservative powers that be.

Which kinda goes to show the value anyway.

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 3 Jul 2005 10:08 pm

Well Mike, bless Jeff Newmann's heart. I can't help but like people that tell it the way they see it.

Not everybody likes it, that's for sure.

Oh Well.

We all have it coming kid.. -William Munny-

Maybe some day people that have, or have been percieved to have, ripped off other players, or sued the crap out of their fellow craftsmen for stupid reasons will have these percieved "transgressions against the community" overlooked in the light of masterful instrumentation.

I'd give it 30 years or so, when the wronged respondents, and those ripped off, if so, are long gone.

It's just our flawed, human nature I guess.

There's a certain water color artist of the latter century that might have gotten more recognition had it not been for his particular political misadventures...

I thought Sneaky Pete was "in" already.

If not then Winnie and Pete.

EJL

Jerry Warner · Post by **Jerry Warner** » 3 Jul 2005 10:32 pm

bobbe seymour should be there as should reese and along w/ the others that have been brought up on the forum, bobbe is doing more for the steel guitar world as of this day as anyone in the steel guitar world, and been there and done that, so don't let this old bull crap come up scotty have these guys have there names put up on the wall along w/ all the other greats.

Buck Dilly · Post by **Buck Dilly** » 3 Jul 2005 11:24 pm

Let's remember the words of Jiminy Cricket...

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 4 Jul 2005 2:38 am

After reading most of these post on the HOF subject, I tend to continue to look at the positives I can learn from on each player that's listed as a possible HOF inductee. Only two per year. That means next year they'll be two more inducted. In the next five years that's ten. I believe that down the road in the near future most of our great steel players will be in the HOF. I'd like to think that the negatives that have been and are mentioned about great players will fade away in time but there music will live on forever as long as there are steel players like myself around to continue playing there music and promoting the STEEL GUITAR!

Dave A. Burley · Post by **Dave A. Burley** » 8 Jul 2005 2:37 pm

Lot's of 'enquire magazine' stuff written here about Julian Tharpe.
I knew the man...I worked with the man...I promoted concerts pitting Julian against some of the best great jazz guitarists in the world....I talked to all of them and everyone of them told me how amazed they were with Julian's playing..
Not too many steel players could ever hope to get that kind of respect from those great musicians.
Yes, Julian might have been a little fast in his personal life but he was also a little good in his musical life.
No, not a little good....a lot good. He was head and shoulders above 99.9999999999999999 per cent of the steel players today.
George Redmond mentioned Hank Williams Sr....Is Hank Williams in the Country Music Hall Of Fame? How long did it take the Hall Of Fame to honor him?
Maybe they had to put Hank in the Hall Of Fame because of his fantastic career, forget his well written about personal life.
Well, I thinks Julian Tharpes attained that status in his career and he deserves to be elected into the Hall Of Fame no matter what he did in his personal life.
Probably about 100 per cent of the nay sayers would give their left whatever to have the talent that Julian had. Enough said about his qualifications.
Rest in peace, Julian. You won't get me to show stupidity and jealousy by putting down one great musician.
My opinion is that there isn't one of you out there that are cutting Julian that would have deserved to carry his guitar case.
Dave Burley

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 8 Jul 2005 5:45 pm

That's good Dave!!!

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 8 Jul 2005 7:55 pm

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN..MR Burley......if polled 99% of steelers out there agree with you sir....
Would all those with no skeleton in their closet, please step forward and recieve your awards please!
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Richard Gonzales · Post by **Richard Gonzales** » 9 Jul 2005 6:05 am

I am curious how many people have sent in nominating papers for Reece? I for one have sent in two nominations and now have stopped as I feel it is a waste of time.

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 9 Jul 2005 1:58 pm

Richard and Jim, you are unfortunately correct! you are wasting your time in regards to Reece.. i have it in writing that Reece has been...for better word "Blackballed" from the nomination, and induction system of the HOF. I am willing to send a copy of this letter to anyone who request it. Not only is an injustice being done here, that is unfair to all of us that take the time and effort to nominate. But i believe that this ONE person has "Corrupted" the board, so a "Fair" assessment, of Reeces's accomplishments, cannot be done. I am looking at this situation, very very carefully. I promise you, and all my fellow steelers around the world..i WILL not surrender, or be intimidated, untill i get to the bottom of this once and for all. I AM NOT accusing ANYONE of being unethical, dishonest.."YET"! let the truth be known. I have requested, documents, and information, that is available to us, under the law. I will have this request, presented, under order if necessary. This directly effects us all. And i like many of you, demand answers. I have said it before..i will say it again.."Something is not right in Mr Andersens Case"...I will use my own resources and i am not asking anything from anyone. Insight is always welcome. But that's it please...Also DO NOT write Reece in regards to this matter..WRITE me...This is my investigation, i take full responsibility for it!....And PLEASE keep nominating Reece...i will second any nominations or assist you in your quest. I will be glad to pass along any and all information and progress i make in this situation. After all Reece is a friend to this Forum, and a friend to us all...God Bless this man, and his work. Which was demonstrated this past week-end at Bobbe's Slide Off in Nashville..Your encouragement is appreciated..your gripes as well...sorry it has come to this..I will take this one step at a time, i will not forget Julian, Mr Burley i promise, and i will also look into what dirt they have suppose to have dug up on Gene O'Neil......

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Paul Warnik · Post by **Paul Warnik** » 10 Jul 2005 9:51 am

Did everyone forget that we recently lost Jimmy Crawford-He would be my choice-PW

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 10 Jul 2005 10:14 am

Jimmie was inducted about 5 years ago, as I recall.

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