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Post by Bob Carlucci »

First off,let me say this is MY fault.. No one elses's. I tend to be WAY too trusting,and I should have not been so obviously careless. If you check Pedal Steel,you'll see where I posted early yesterday asking about lacquer Emmons guitars.

I had found a GREAT deal on eBay,on an Emmons S 10 Lacquer 4+4 with case Volume pedal and 2 bars for $999 BIN.. SUPER deal!. Anyway,just fooling around, I stated,"If you decide not to buy it out from under me,can you tell me something about these guitars".. While awaiting a reply, maybe a half hour or so,OF COURSE thats just what happened.. with over 9 days left on the auction.

Just a half hour or so I took my eyes off that steel,asked on the forum about it,and made one call to a steel guitar dealer and BANG!... gone.. I guess it could be a coincidence, but I dunno..anyway,next time I see a deal like that, unfortunately I'll have to post about it here AFTER I have it set up in my living room! Image bob
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Post by Jeff Lampert »

<SMALL>can you tell me something about these guitars</SMALL>
It was a "Buy It Now" listing which means that anyone can close the auction at any moment. After you got your information, you could have closed it immediately. You didn't and the dealer decided that he better take it before someone else does. The dealer had the expertise and so he jumped on it. You weren't sure, so you lost it. It happens all the time in auctions and private sales. The person who worked hard to gain the expertise oftens beats out the novice or uninformed person. Not much you can do about it. Was it wrong of the dealer to not tell you that he would take it if you didn't? Tricky, especially since he knows that if he expresses interest in it, then you will definitely take it. And he knows that at any moment, someone else can sneak in. Your only real option is to gain the expertise so you don't need anyone's help. Otherwise, you're rolling the dice.

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Post by Herb Steiner »

Bob, are you sure it was a Forumite who bought the guitar because he saw your post? It certainly could be possible, but it's certainly possible it was just another eBay surfer who came upon the same guitar and acted.

To quote a famous man, "He who hesitates, is lost." As you stated, you were "fooling around," but now realize the other buyer was serious enough to commit the bucks. He won.

Only marginally related to your case, I get lots of contacts from steel players who, due to their relative inexperience or perhaps some other hesitancy, ask me all sorts of questions about guitars they're thinking of buying, usually ending with "Should I get this, is it a good deal?"

I always reply that I can't comment on a guitar I haven't seen or played, though by photos I can tell if a guitar may or may not have been mangled. But I do tell them that if they want the guitar, they should get it. They're buying a guitar, not setting fire to a bundle of cash or shredding it and flushing it down the commode. If later they decide they don't like it, they can sell it to someone else. They might even MAKE some bucks on the deal, but if the lose a little, at least they got a bit of an education about the instrument in general. No one ever got a free education, regardless of what endeavor we're discussing.

The lesson here is that if you see something you think is a good deal, and there's a time widnow involved or a good chance someone else will snap it up, you should act immediately.

What we're dealing with is some sort of fear. Fear of making a mistake, fear of ridicule, fear of spending money foolishly, whatever. Fear paralyzes, fear hinders, fear keeps us from living life fully and to the extent we would really like. No one is immune from this, incidentally.

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Post by Bill Hatcher »

Whenever you see a great deal on Ebay with a BIN feature you better hit that button as fast as you can!! The entire earth is watching Ebay. You really cannot expect anyone to hold an item for you while you investigate. Better to take a chance on a great deal than to take a chance and miss it.
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Post by Farris Currie »

my advice when you see something you want,better grab it!i bought a chevy bell housing and straight transmission one time from a guy,fellow told me about it,so i went and bought it at once.dam he got mad!!made a life time enemy, oh well,i had been looking for awhile!changed my 57 chey from automatic to a straight stick 4 speed.thats just life huh.i've learned to grab when you see!!! hahahahahahah farris
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Post by Bob Carlucci »

Guys.. I am NOT a novice.. having been at the pedal steel game since the early 70's.. I KNEW this was a smokin' deal.. I just did not know the lacquer Emmons guitars that well having seen VERY few over the years.

I am pretty sure it was not the dealer unless they were REALLY quick, but if it was,and I called asking for info about a guitar I was about to buy at a good deal, I would say they should reconsider thier standing ethically,as i made it CLEAR I was about to buy this guitar.

I am pretty sure it was someone who read the post. Again my dumb fault for being too trusting I guess.. Maybe it WAS a coincidence, but the timing was pretty suspicious....Right stlman02 ???..... bob
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Post by Farris Currie »

Hey BOB,if you find another good deal like that,Please call me before you buy it!!! HAHAHAHAHAH FARRIS
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Post by Peter »

You could have asked your question on the Forum WITHOUT referring to eBay at all.

Maybe like this:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>I don't know much about the lacquer body Emmons guitars.. they are pretty rare compared to mica cabinet Emmons. Would any early/mid 80's S10 guitar be a P/P or all pull?? Is there something undesirable about them??
Do they sound more "Sho Buddy" than other Emmons??</SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Post by Herman Visser »

Bob. This was happened a few times to me.But also when biding on line I sometimes get the feeling that Iam biding against the seller or his freinds.Bidding gose way over what it should be and a day or so later Ill get a Email that every one has back out and that Iam the winner.Two days later it is back up again.So I try to stay off of Ebay as must as I can. I like the Forum buying for many reason one is there is a set price.Two if it turns out to be a pile of Fire wood we have somewhere a bitch.The line that turns me off on ebay is that,seller is selling for a freind (ha right)
SORRY NOT SPELL CHECKED, DONT HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW
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Post by David L. Donald »

Bob, i gotta say I know of several very knowlagable forumites
who ALWAYS troll Ebay for a good deal.
They do it as a matter of course, not because they saw a posting.

Few of them would do what your say,
but most are ready to push that button FAST ,
in buy and sell, just as is the case on Ebay
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He who sees and pushes the button wins
It is very plausable that one of the regular Ebay trollers saw it and said NOW. before they even looked on the forum for a reference to it.

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Post by Jimmie Misenheimer »

Bob, always keep in mind that "e-bay" isn't ALWAYS the deal that it may seem. Trust me, I've seen it happen to a couple of people "up close and personal", that the "super" deal was not as "super" as they were led to believe. I only went that route once. I bought a hard to find instrument. I had the intention of rebuilding it. It was a damn good thing that it WAS my intention, as when I got this "near perfect" item, all of the electronics were shot, along with a couple of other things that a picture doesn't tell. It is still my contention that you are far better off to see, and touch it BEFORE you shell out the cabbage for it. Sorry about the "long wind" - just my thoughts... Jimmie
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Post by David Mason »

I buy, sell, trade and repair fountain pens as a (paying) hobby, and I probably spend an hour a day cruising various pre-set searches. Let me assure you, it's a dark, vicious world out there....
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Post by Bob Carlucci »

Guys.. I'm really not that upset.. I'm a big boy.. I hesitated abou 30-40 minutes to get a bit more info and I lost.. Its just that i wouldn't have done it to a member here.... bob
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Post by Rick Aiello »

If I'm watchin' something on Ebay ... and see a post on it ...

Well, Lurch said it best ... Image

I sweated this A25 out for a week ... prayin' no-one would post a question ...

Selfish, maybe ... Happy, Yeah man !!!

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Post by Jody Carver »

Herb my buddy writes and I quote my friend Herb.

you were "fooling around," there is an old song that is appropriate here.


"You Were Only Fooling while I was falling in love. a story thats old as Adam and Eve
I was loving you while you were making believe...and it goes on.

Thanks for letting me show my age.
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Post by Brian Henry »

Bob! You said "Forum disappointment" You have no proof it was a forumite. You should have called the post BOB DISAPPOINTS HIMSELF Because of a lack of knowledge you had to hesitate, and disappoined yourself. Experience is a greaty teacher!!!
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Post by Jon Light (deceased) »

I'll wager that the person who bought it is a big boy who knows how to look for things and find things on ebay. And I'll wager that there were forum members who held back out of respect for a fellow forum member (you) who are pretty pissed that you let someone else have it and are saying 'never again'. It wasn't bought out from under you. You passed and it went to the next person who was interested.
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There are those who watch it happen and those who make it happen and those who say

What Happened?


Thanks I'm trying to increase my profile posts.

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Post by Rainer Hackstaette »

Bob,

that S-10 had 4 pedals but only 2 levers, RKL and RKR. If you add the cost of 2 P/P lever kits at $ 300 (IF you can find any at all) and pay somebody to add them on, it wouldn't really have been such a "smoking deal" any more.

Emmons S-10

Don't fret, there are plenty of good guitars out there. One is bound to come your way.

And no, I didn't buy it. It was a US-sale only auction, and I got enough PPs already.

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Post by Bob Carlucci »

tbh.. It appears my posts always seem to irritate you..Why is that I wonder?? .. Just something I noticed when I was posting a lot about my Carter a year ago... bob
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Three sayings that ring true....

you snooze, you lose

shoot first, ask questions later

the early bird gets the worm
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Post by Mark Herrick »

If it was indeed snatched as a result of your inquiries, my money is on the dealer...

Just keep an eye on a few of their sites and see if it shows up.

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Post by Joey Ace »

<SMALL>"When biding on line I sometimes get the feeling that Iam biding against the seller or his friends." - Herman</SMALL>
I know how you feel, Herman.
It's hard enough to find a bargain when the whole world is watching. Add too that some sellers don't play by the rules.

I've seen posts here where Forum members admit to this unethical practice.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 05 February 2005 at 01:06 PM.]</p></FONT>
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Post by Michael Holland »

Me too, Joey. Would you like to post the link or shall I?
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Post by Bob Carlucci »

Perhaps you gentlemen are referring to the post I made over a year ago,when I admiitted I had a friend bid on the Pro III I sold on ebay so I could get it back.... absolutely correct.. I made a big mistake by neglecting to put a reserve price on it. My fault.

I wonder how many here would have been so noble as to actually sell that gorgeous guitar for $700.. sorry, I'm just not that big and I readily admit to that fact... I was going to pay all related costs and was going to just keep the guitar.

As it turned out a very nice man in Germany did beat the $1200 my friend bid,was extremely happy and was thrilled when the guitar got to him and could not believe the great deal he got. Flame if you want,but think of what you would have done in this case.Sold a gorgeous lightly played Pro III for less than half its value,or just paid all associated costs to all concerned and just kept it.

I should just keep my opinions to myself as I sometimes seem to stir up hornets nests around here and get some of you guys all riled up... Its really NOT my intention,but I seem to have that effect on some guys around here.

I know I have now invited more anger by rehashing a dumb mistake over a year ago. Since that experience, I have NEVER posted anything of real value without a reserve,and so did learn from that fiasco,but I still don't regret getting close to what the guitar was worth.. If that offends some guys here,all I can say is I'm sorry. I'm not an evil person,,and yes like most I make some dumb mistakes. However,bottom line is,the guy got an incredible Bud with light playtime for peanuts...and was absolutely thrilled with the entire deal.. bob <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bob Carlucci on 05 February 2005 at 03:04 PM.]</p></FONT>