what do you want for god's sake???

Ricky Littleton · Post by **Ricky Littleton** » 30 Apr 2004 6:27 pm

I hear guys always saying "I bought (or heard) a "brand X" and they will invariably say "...it doesn't sound like a "xyz"..."

This kinda p#%%es mew off because if you want a "...xyz..." then get one.

As for me, I am totally dedicated to my LeGrande, so if I Buy another guitar, then I want somthing different (Fender, ZB, Ricky, Bigsby, Sho-Bud sound).

Am I missing something???

Ricky

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Jennings Ward · Post by **Jennings Ward** » 30 Apr 2004 6:45 pm

THOSE ARE THE UNEDUICATED PEOPLE. THEY WILL LEARN AFTER THEY LOOSE THEIR @** AS MANY TIMES AS I HAVE. TURN A BLIND EYE AND DEAF EAR TO SUCH... YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO , YOU ONLY GET WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR, AND IF YOU ARE NOT CAREFUL, YOU WILL NOT GET THAT, BUT GET BURNED REALLY BAD..... SINCERLY,,,,,, JENNINGS WARD, INCAPS AGAIN. EMMONS D10 10 10 PP NASH 1000 PROFEX 2, DELTA FEX, PEAVY 31 BAND EQ. PLUS?????

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 30 Apr 2004 6:51 pm

Thats exactly why I play a ZB Custom. Its not for everyone and thats okay. Its also the reason that I do NOT play other guitars that I've owned in the past. I don't have to compare mine with anything because its exactly the sound and guitar that I want. It took me years to get here though. I think that I am at the end of my search.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 1 May 2004 4:28 am

Well Ricky, there's a lot of amateurs out there who think "You are what you play". (Big Laugh.

) They harp incessantly about "tone". They bore other players to tears about the "sound" of this guitar or that guitar. They mention the brand they play so often (in every friggin' post?!?), you'd think they were getting paid to play it! I tolerate them because most are really nice guys, and they just don't know any better.

To me, it's how you play...and not what you play, that matters.

Ernie Pollock · Post by **Ernie Pollock** » 1 May 2004 4:47 am

Yeah, Donnies got it right again, I went through at least 6 steel guitars in my first few years of playing. After 29 years I sound the same no matter which brand I play. Its all in your hands. In the beginning it takes time to get this & thats when you think its the guitar, not yourself & thats where most guys go wrong. I had my 2nd guitar back once many years after I had bought it the first time and it sounded fine to me!!

Ernie

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Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 1 May 2004 5:05 am

While there are differences in steel guitars. Donny's got it pretty much right. The playing is alot in a Masters hands.

Listen to Buddy Emmons. His artistry, expertise, and great tone, they come from Buddy. He would sound great on a cheese-grader!
And so does one of his heroes, Jerry Bryd.

No doubt about it these guys weren't out behind the barn when talent/giftedness was passed out.

I play a 14 string BMI and have since 1984. It satisfies me, keeps me occupied. I have also owned and played Sho-Buds, MSAs, Rikenbackers, Fenders and they all were great steels. My BMI keeps me working. Must be something right about what it sounds like. Goodluck to you. Go with what you like and you will be happy.

GOD bless you all!

Woody
Mark 10:27

Gary Lee Gimble · Post by **Gary Lee Gimble** » 1 May 2004 5:43 am

Donny, I'm playing in your neighborhood tonight and let me tell you, the tone and sound of my guitar, well.......I'm getting paid too.

little do they know
So, I'll reserve a table for you at Little Texas, please dress appropriately. Fancy cowboy boots, $145.99 designer western style shirt and black leather trousers are acceptable too.
[This message was edited by Gary Lee Gimble on 01 May 2004 at 06:44 AM.]

Reggie Duncan · Post by **Reggie Duncan** » 1 May 2004 7:29 am

I heard the sound I wanted and bought it in 1979. Sold it in 1983, and thankfully, was able to get it back in 1991. After 13 years, I still think I made the right choice.

Bob Mainwaring · Post by **Bob Mainwaring** » 1 May 2004 7:31 am

I'm with you on this one Kevin.
After trying out many steels and just "messing" with the adjustments and checking out the many different types of undercarriage, I find that the old Z.Bs. do "it" for me.

Bob Mainwaring. Z.Bs. and other sweet things.

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 1 May 2004 8:15 am

I know exactly what you mean.

Probably 90% of the time I hear people say that Brand X doesn't sound like Brand Y, Brand Y=Emmons. And if you look further, Brand Y (the 'gold standard') is a push-pull. Yes there are those who DON'T care for the sound of a push-pull, but even some of them recognize the clarity of midrange and responsiveness to the touch of the player that those great old Emmons guitars have -- often to a greater degree than those mfgd today. For mechanical and musical reasons, many people, including the guy who dreamed up the design for the push-pull, chose a modern guitar. In my estimation, the LeGrande guitars sound more like an Emmons (duh) than does a ZumSteel or Mullen or ????

The point about having a great guitar and moving on to another brand for a change is also well taken. I played a ZumSteel for 20 years and, rather than buying another, I went to Emmons pp and Fessenden guitars and never looked back. I know that Bruce (or Del Mullen or Ed Fulawka or Paul Franklin, among others) will build me a great guitar. And I also know that Jerry Fessenden builds the one I choose as the best made today. No, it doesn't sound like an Emmons push-pull. But I can make both sound like ME, so that's what I'll play.

Good topic.

Some folks are always looking to the guitar for tone. There's some there, but there are many other places to look. Your technique, your rig, your attitude, and a lot of other factors are always at play.

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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

Jennings Ward · Post by **Jennings Ward** » 1 May 2004 8:22 am

NOW THE IMPORTANT POINT! CUT OUT THE WIFE'S OR GIRLFRIENDS BOOZE AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BUY THAT GREAT STEEL , MORE IMPORTANT,,YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR BETTER, THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT,,,,,LOL TO ALL. JENNINGS WARD, INCAPS AGAIN

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 1 May 2004 9:03 am

Jennings, i love ya' man but why do you have to scream all the time ?

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 01 May 2004 at 10:03 AM.]

HowardR · Post by **HowardR** » 1 May 2004 9:27 am

I think he's a little hard of typing

Perry Hansen · Post by **Perry Hansen** » 1 May 2004 9:37 am

Reminds me of my first meeting with Wayne Galey. He was playing a Fender 1000 that he had modified with extra strings on each neck and 3 Knee levers. Made my brand new Fender 2000 sound like a Nr2 wash tub. The secret seems to be in the hands and the ear.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 1 May 2004 10:55 am

Howard : STROTFLOL

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 1 May 2004 8:11 pm

Good one Howard.
I don't even read ALL CAPS posts anymore.
Too hard on the eyes.

Cal Sharp · Post by **Cal Sharp** » 1 May 2004 9:46 pm

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CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 1 May 2004 10:01 pm

i hope this will help clear thangs up:
(quoted from here: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum11/HTML/005236.html)
GENTALEMEN: THE CAPS THING IS FOR A REASON. NOT TO JUST "P---" U OFF. DIABETIES HAS DESTOYED MY SIGHT , ONLY ON EYE. VERY BLURED. 5 HEART ATTACKS SINCE LAST NOV. A QUAD BY PASS 10 YRS AGO, AND 3 STINTS, AND 3 BALOONS IN MY ARRERIES. NOW I HAVE HAD A BOUT WITH CANCER, HAD THE ROTORUTER DONE TO THE POSTRATE.. JUST RECIENTLY MY WIFE HAS HAD BOTH HIPS REPLACED..SO IF MY CAPS UPSET YOU , OR DOES NOT COMPLY WITH YOUR IDEA OF COMPUTER ETTIQUETT, I REALLY DONT GIVE A RATS @-- AS I HAVE ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT, WHILE I AM TRYING TO KEEP BREATHING, EMPHSYIMA {CHK. SPELLING} . JUST REMEMBER THAT GOD AN I LOVE YOU, SO THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH REASON TO KEEP YOUR SNOTTY LITTLE REMARKS TO YOURSELF. ASK WINNIE WINSTON WHAT I TOLD HIM. LV YA. JENNINGS INCAPS AGAIN...................[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 01 May 2004 at 11:02 PM.]

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 2 May 2004 2:26 am

No problem with caps for me, even before I read this last.

Jennings, you hang in there dude!
Shoutin' or not. [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 02 May 2004 at 03:26 AM.]

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 2 May 2004 3:46 am

I guess the CAPS thing is like styles of music.
(Or Steels, to get back on topic)
What you might like, somone else doesn't.

It's OK with me. I won't listen to your CD if you're playing RAP just like I won't read your post if it's all caps.

You might enjoy the style. If so have a blast.

Jennings Ward · Post by **Jennings Ward** » 2 May 2004 11:14 am

Now joey just for you, there are a few of us that know a thing or two. but what i dont know is not worth learning, and what you can teach i do not want to know..except, how do you attach the pedals and chain to your KAZOO????? Sincerly jennings,, no caps just for jewey......

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 2 May 2004 11:30 am

I like to compare steel guitars to chainsaws...
Everybody has their favorite.

T. C. Furlong · Post by **T. C. Furlong** » 2 May 2004 1:34 pm

Cal Sharp,

Thanks for the tip on the font. I hope it helps some of our disadvantaged members. BTW, nice use of the word "umbrage" in your 1983 Inside Country Music magazine article!!

TC

Cal Sharp · Post by **Cal Sharp** » 2 May 2004 6:24 pm

Heh, heh. I hope nobody takes umbrage at Joey's and my denigration of aLL cAPS users.

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