How are SGHOF nominations made?

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 13 Mar 2004 8:55 pm

How are the nominees selected for consideration to the Steel Guitar Hall of Fame? What are the judging criteria for selection after nomination?

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JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 13 Mar 2004 10:06 pm

Go to Scotty's website-there's a page there with all the criteria. Thinking of nominating someone?

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Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 13 Mar 2004 10:28 pm

You bet! We've got to nominate Julian. He was only here for a short while and his music and contributions must not die with him. Those who haven't heard him are missing a LOT.

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 14 Mar 2004 6:53 am

I feel confident Julian has been nominated on several ocassions. I also feel confident he will be inducted one year. As will others. In fact it would not suprise me if all the greats were not inducted ultimately. When is another story.

carl

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 14 Mar 2004 9:18 am

Let's try to make it this year. I'm compiling information in the topic: "Julian Tharpe SGHOF Nomination." Unless I'm mistaken, the form needs to be filed every year. How about making this the year for Julian? His legacy is fading fast and soon there may be no chance for his induction. It's hard to believe that a lot of Julian's activity was in the 70s-80s. That's 20-30 years ago. A lot of the witnesses to Julian's genius will soon be gone if they aren't already.

What woke me up to this is the fact that there are no CDs of his music available that I can find. There certainly won't be any new recordings. And noone has a record player any more. Also, I've talked to steel players who didn't know who he was. He was a player's player and should be remembered as such.

How about pushing for Julian this year?

Jerry
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John Floyd · Post by **John Floyd** » 15 Mar 2004 2:53 pm

Not in our Lifetime,predjudice and politics are the name of the game.[This message was edited by John Floyd on 15 March 2004 at 04:55 PM.]

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 15 Mar 2004 3:28 pm

My understanding is the selections are made one year in advance.

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 15 Mar 2004 6:51 pm

Well, let's try again. Maybe singling Julian from all the rest would get him a more concentrated review. Since Julian has passed, it makes his consideration a priority. If not for this year, maybe the committee will decide in Julian's favor for next year. We can only get him in if we keep asking.

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Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 15 Mar 2004 9:05 pm

Hi Jerry,

Somewhere in the archives of THE STEEL GUITAR FORUM is a bunch of postings on Julian from 2-3 years ago. I believe there were over a hundred posts on the topic of Julian and his extraordinary talent.

As a friend of the Tharpe family, they too long to see him inducted into the SGHOF. One only has to go back and listen to the few albums/tapes of his playing, and you can see what a giant super player he was. His playing alone warrents his induction into the SGHOF.

He played with Ray Price, Barbara Mandrell, The Allman Brothers among others. He was a innovator of Universal tunings, recording artist, composer, teacher of steel guitar, etc.

There are videos of him from the Steel Guitar Convention. As like many others he was recorded and taped there.

He has a daughter and son in AL. One brother still living and three sisters alive in AL and SC.

I hope that I live long enough to see his and Reece Anderson's inductions into the SGHOF. My thoughts and feelings have poured out on this topic many times.

GOD bless you all!

Terry

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 16 Mar 2004 1:01 am

Thanks for the great input, Terry.

I'm still compiling the information for the application for Julian's nomination. This is like creating a resume of someone you've never met but whose work you really appreciate.

I'm confident that it will be a good application because of all the great help from the Forum members.

It wouldn't hurt for a bunch of applications to be submitted. I'll be glad to share any info I have with people wanting to submit a nomination for Julian.
There is a lot of information already on the Forum and Terry has a wealth of info about Julian.

Jerry

Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 16 Mar 2004 9:13 pm

Hi Jerry and Fellow Steel Guitarists,

I went back and researched in the Steel Forum Archives about the late Julian Tharpe.

I suggest that you all go back and read those comments posted from 2000-2001 on Julian's behalf. There is a lot of insight and info as to what a Great Steel Guitarist Julian was.

The comments were made by many steel players who knew him and his playing genuis. I particular appreciate the comments by other great steel players such as Reece Anderson, Bill Stafford, Larry Sasser, Tommy White, David Wright, Julian's son and daughter and his sister Edna, and others. It will take you an hour or so to read through all of it, but then you'll better understand what we are all talking about when it comes to Julian THarpe and his SGHOF induction.

GOD bless all of you!

Woody

Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 16 Mar 2004 9:14 pm

Jerry the topic was titled "Julian THarpe for Steel Guitar Hall of Fame.

Terry

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 17 Mar 2004 5:40 am

Thanks again for the great info, Terry.

I'm trying to get a nomination for Julian to the SGHOF sent this week. Any and everyone else who sends in a nomination for Julian are greatly appreciated.

Jerry[This message was edited by Jerry Clardy on 17 March 2004 at 02:00 PM.]

Willis Vanderberg · Post by **Willis Vanderberg** » 20 Mar 2004 5:38 pm

Well...who are these folks that have the big stroke in who gets in...?
The last thing that's needed is a board or whatever, who are biased , biggoted or have personal issues.Is the Hall Of Fame a privately owned orginization ?
I don't care if the artist has three heads and four feet,if they can play then they ought to be considered.
Are the board members also members of the Hall ? Maybe it's time for a true Hall of fame and not one controlled by folks with side issues...Just my old two cents.
Bud

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 20 Mar 2004 7:49 pm

The Steel Guitar Hall of Fame is a non profit, private organization. In order for anyone to be inducted, they MUST recieve 5 yes votes out of the 8 members on the board. And it is my understanding they are inducted a year before it is announced. You can get all the specifics by going to Scotty's website.

Like all private organizations, they are not bound by public consensus or popular feelings. Also their decisions are final. As long as they follow legal requirements, I know of nothing legally that can be done to force a given member in.

Since the board is not duly elected representatives of the steel guitar (or other) community, they are beholden to no one. And whether I agree with their decision(s) or not, I would not like to see them forced to exclude OR include anyone that did not receive the 5 out of 8 votes necessary to be inducted.

My only advice is to nominate whoever you feel deserves to be inducted; then grin and bear it if your favorite does not get in. Considering all the ones that have been inducted since its inception, I would have to commend them for an outstanding job so far.

carl

Bob Blair · Post by **Bob Blair** » 20 Mar 2004 7:53 pm

Bud, the identity of the Board members is not a secret - you can read all about it if you click on the link in the first entry on this thread. Whatever issues people might have about who ought to be admitted to the HOF and when, I hope we can all agree that the members of the Board are all well-respected members of the steel guitar community, and all highly qualified to be there. And every effort has obviously been made to make information about the Board public. Disagree with them if you will, but there is no justification for engaging in uninformed attacks on the integrity of the people who serve on the Board.

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 21 Mar 2004 7:22 am

Retcop88,

Very sincerely and respectfully, who is (are) the judge(s)?

When it only takes 5 out of 8, do you not think that is fair?

carl

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 21 Mar 2004 8:27 am

FYI:
The Steel Guitar Convention Board as listed on Scotty's website are:

Bob Maickel - Floral Park, NY.
Bobby Caldwell - St. Louis, MO.
DeWitt Scott - St. Louis, MO.
Fred Layman - Sevierville, TN.
Herb Steiner - Austin, TX.
Jeff Newman - Watertown, TN.
Tom Bradshaw - Concord, CA.
Winnie Winston - Tawa, New Zealand

My own familiarities with these folks are:

Bobby Caldwell has made some mighty guitar contributions on tons of "Players'" albums.

DeWitt Scott has brought together the steel guitar community as noone else with unending services, promotions, conventions, etc.

Jeff Newman has developed a way to teach the whole world to play the steel guitar.

Tom Bradshaw was one of the first in my recollection to promote steel players and to provide an outlet for their recordings, etc.

Winnie Winston wrote one of the most popular and useful steel guitar publications ever written. This book has Julian's copedent.

I believe Herb Steiner is the head of the TSGA.

I'm not familiar with Bob Maickel and Fred Layman but I'm sure these gentlemen are of the same good caliber as the others on the Board.

Hopefully we're just waiting our turn to get Julian inducted. I believe these nominations need to be resubmitted annually. If a nomination was made in previous years, it shouldn't be too hard to resubmit it once a year every year until Julian is inducted.

The more nominations submitted, the better chance we have. The info for submitting is at the bottom of the page at www.scottysmusic.com/abouthof.htm

Thanks for taking the time to submit a nomination for Julian.

Jerry

P.S.
The archived thread Terry is referring to is at http://steelguitarforum.com/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20011227-1-008469.html
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Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 24 Mar 2004 9:47 pm

Here's some more info about Julian. David Wright lists a pedal chart for Julian's 21 pedal Wright Custom guitar along with some pictures of it. I believe the Take Your Pick album was recorded with this one.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/001039.html
David's dad, Chuck, built the guitar.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 25 Mar 2004 10:24 am

Jerry
I am not the "head" of the TSGA.

The TSGA is a non-profit organization run by the Board of Directors. The president of the TSGA is Albert Talley.

Primarily, I'm a full-time musician and publisher of steel guitar instruction products and practice aids.

I am one of the officers of the Texas Steel Guitar Association but not on the Board of Directors. I handle advertising the Jamboree in publications like the PSGA Newsletter and festival brochures such as the ISGC Program Book. Additionally, I am the webmaster of the website.

I have been a member of the International Steel Guitar Convention Board, which is the group of individuals listed above that votes on future inductees to the Steel Guitar Hall of Fame, Inc., since Sept. of 2001. I am one vote on a committee of eight.

Fred Layman, who is a forum member, is a knowledgeable journalist for the steel guitar community and is the former owner of the Flynn Guitar Co.

Bob Maickel, also a forum member, is the president of the Pedal Steel Guitar Association, arguably the largest steel guitar organization, and publishes the monthly Pedal Steel Newsletter.

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C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 25 Mar 2004 12:12 pm

"I'm not familiar with Bob Maickel and Fred Layman but I'm sure these gentlemen are of the same good caliber as the others on the Board."

I would defend either of these gentleman's character with every fiber of my being. I have never found them to be anything but of the highest character, honor and caliber.

It is not for me to say who does or does not get into the SGHOF. But I know each of the men on this board. And if anyone impunes their integrity, "you're on the fightin' sida me!"

Folks, please think about this group of "player" board members when you imply that they have been less than honorable in their decisions/actions/inductions on this board. Also, and EVEN more importantly, it ONLY takes 5 out of 8 to be inducted! That is a simple majority.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that when an inductee or the lack thereof is slammed, you are talking about at least 5 of them. NO way can I ever equate with this. One maybe, two? hmmm. but NOT 5!

carl

The ONLY true Judge

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 25 Mar 2004 1:52 pm

Herb! Thanks!

For the remedy of my ignorance (in this case, at least).

I agree that everyone on the board are honorable and qualified people.

I didn't know Fred was the maker of Flynn guitars. I'll bet he knows my good friend Chuck Back with Desert Rose guitars.

Also an apology to Bob for not knowing his affiliation with the PSGA. Where do I send my membership fee?

But, Herb, you shouldn't be too annoyed with the promotion.

Jerry

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 25 Mar 2004 3:17 pm

BTW - I've submitted my dues to PSGA and TSGA.

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