Social engineering movies/enemies of PSG

Steven Welborn · Post by **Steven Welborn** » 6 Nov 2003 6:28 pm

I just rented a movie entittled "Frailty" that has me urked. Its one of many I've seen that seem to me to have the same agenda behind it. One of portraying Christians as delusional, backwards, and of course very dangerous. They're usually midwesterners and what do they have playin on the radio in their trucks and kitchens?
Why of course....some generic classic country music with a salient PEDAL STEEL wafting thru the air. Anyone wonder why there's so much negative stereotyping and prejudice regarding this amazing instrument?

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 6 Nov 2003 8:34 pm

Good point Steve. Hollywood hates country people, country music, and especially Christians. Left wing propaganda. Screw the Hollywood liberals. These subtle hate messages against Christians and country music are pervasive.

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 6 Nov 2003 10:02 pm

Who is behind this plot ?

John Steele (deceased) · Post by **John Steele (deceased)** » 6 Nov 2003 10:32 pm

Undoubtedly some jazz snob from New York.
-John

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 7 Nov 2003 12:02 am

Depends on the "Tone" I would think.

The stuff I've heard always has too much Midrange.

I wonder why that is...

EJL

Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 7 Nov 2003 5:37 am

As Daryle Singletary would say, Hollywood is living up to my low expectations.

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Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 7 Nov 2003 5:39 am

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Terry Edwards · Post by **Terry Edwards** » 7 Nov 2003 6:58 am

Now that you mention it. It watched "The Exorcist" again a couple of weeks ago. A powerful Hollywood movie about Satan losing to the power of Christian faith. But, do you think they could feature at least one steel guitar gliss in that movie!?

Terry

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 7 Nov 2003 7:05 am

I'm just glad to be a New Yorker -- everybody loves us!

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 7 Nov 2003 7:10 am

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Terry Edwards · Post by **Terry Edwards** » 7 Nov 2003 8:46 am

AAAWW, come on Jim!

I guess I gotta get here faster if I want to beat the delete!

Terry

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 7 Nov 2003 8:59 am

I'm sorry I had no idea what Movie those sound tracks were going in; when I cut the steel parts. Glad I never saw the movie now....ha
Ricky

David Cobb · Post by **David Cobb** » 7 Nov 2003 9:01 am

Remember the old TV show Northern Exposure? In nearly every scene that occurred at the local cafe/bar, the jukebox was playing a song with a lot of steel in it.
It was very good music, not at all generic. Sadly enough it was probably the producers way of creating a cliched, rural atmosphere to accompany their ensemble of eccentric, backwoods characters.
The typical Hollywood treatment.

Terry Edwards · Post by **Terry Edwards** » 7 Nov 2003 9:06 am

I've never gone into a bar or cafe and heard classical music playing on the juke box. Ordinary common people in rural America listen to steel guitar, country music, banjos, country rock, bluegrass, etc.

What's there to be ashamed of!???

Terry

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 7 Nov 2003 9:56 am

What's there to be ashamed of!???

How about being delusional, backward, and dangerous?

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 7 Nov 2003 10:37 am

Remember the recent TV add where the guy is sitting in a diner and says he didn't want mayonaisse on his sandwich? And the waitress wipes the mayo off on the edge of the table puts the bread back on top of the sandwich? And there is a really whiny steel guitar coming from a radio in the background?

But seriously, Hollywood stereotypes everyone - the dumb mafia Italians, hick Southerners, dizzy-sexy secretaries, the ruthless corporate bigwig, criminals who always bicker with each other, the gorgeous hooker with a heart of gold (ever seen one of those for real?), etc. Did you ever see a complimentary portrayal of a teenage punk rocker?

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 7 Nov 2003 10:37 am

I'm always delighted to hear pedal steel in the background in movies, whatever the context. There are several pedal steel styles that actually define country and western music in the minds of average listeners. It's a real quick way for moviemakers to set the stage for a scene. I don't mind that at all.

It sounds to me like you're complaining more about the negative stereotyping of midwestern Christians in "Frailty" and other movies. That subject is beyond the scope of this Forum.

There are plenty of movies that have scenes in country bars without the negative connotations. Country pedal steel adds to the ambiance of the scene. I see that as a good thing.

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Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 7 Nov 2003 10:41 am

I just rented a movie entittled "Frailty" that has me urked. Its one of many I've seen that seem to me to have the same agenda behind it. One of portraying Christians as delusional, backwards, and of course very dangerous. They're usually midwesterners and what do they have playin on the radio in their trucks and kitchens?

..who were you most irked at?...the people at the video rental store who forced you to rent the movie, or the people who tied you down on your couch and forced you to sit through the whole thing?...

Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 7 Nov 2003 10:43 am

"But seriously, Hollywood stereotypes everyone - the dumb mafia Italians, hick Southerners, dizzy-sexy secretaries, the ruthless corporate bigwig, criminals who always bicker with each other, the gorgeous hooker with a heart of gold (ever seen one of those for real?), etc. Did you ever see a complimentary portrayal of a teenage punk rocker?"

David,- you forgot to mention Norwegians riding reindeers and fighting polar bears on their way to work.

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Don McClellan · Post by **Don McClellan** » 7 Nov 2003 11:32 am

Stereotypes don't come out of thin air. The Bush administration is all Christians and they're delutional, backwards and of course very dangerous. They're also liars, thives and criminals who are not the least bit patriotic. So where does this stereotype come from? It comes from more than half of the people in this country and the vast majority of the rest of the world.
Movie makers have one agenda. Making money. If they put beautiful women in a film or car chases its because people like this stuff. If they bash Christianity its because people like that too. How many pro-Christian movies can you think of that have been big hits? Or even small hits? Tom Bradshaw told me that hardly anybody buys the gospel steel guitar records he sells.
b0b, how do the gospel records sell compared to the non-gospel ones? Don

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 7 Nov 2003 12:24 pm

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David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 7 Nov 2003 12:27 pm

There is a whole political class who say they are christians, because it gets votes.
They even make a show of going to church.
But are they good Christians.... ?
One has to doubt this.

Actions speak louder than words,
and lipservice is only good for those
who choose to believe it.

But I am not stating this observation to start a debate on what is a "Good Christian."

The movies are a commercial enterprise, and not all people shop at all company stores.
But in America all have a right to their own, voice and opinions, whether nice of nasty.
In film, on this forum, or by email to a friend.

I haven't seen Frailty, I might, I might not.
But I expect to judge it myself, on it's merits as a story with subtext, and not it's front story trappings such as scenery or sound effects.

Maybe b0b is right the people in ths story are from an area that predominates with country music, but that doesn't mean they are the only people there, nor the only people of that type there either.

So the music is just fine for the area, and the fictional characters are the issue, not the steel sound track.

Gino Iorfida · Post by **Gino Iorfida** » 7 Nov 2003 12:32 pm

.... if you think that is bad... look at how hollywood portrays hunters!!! If ever you see someone with hunting mounts/trophies, you always notice it's the BAD GUY in the movie, never the hero...

John De Maille · Post by **John De Maille** » 7 Nov 2003 12:39 pm

Does anybody else out there get the R.F.D. channel on Dish TV ? They play a real neat little interlude with steel up front, between segments, sometimes. My wife accuses me of watching it for that only. But, I like the pure honesty of their programming.

Rich Weiss · Post by **Rich Weiss** » 7 Nov 2003 1:17 pm

In reality, Steve, if you have a gripe with the movie you saw, take it up with the guy who wrote the screenplay.