Peterson tips & observations

Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 1 Aug 2006 2:03 pm

I've had my first chance to spend some time getting acquainted with my new Flip. Pretty cool. Some things are obvious, others not so very. Both of these items are in the manual but I missed them, first skim-thru:

---pick string with finger, not pick, for truer, more stable reading of pitch

---the left-most bar of the four columns in the read-out is the fundamental tone that you are focusing on. At first I was keying on the right-most smallest bars.

Chances are, these are elementary points and not news to anyone.
I'd love to accumulate tips & observations on using the Stroboflip in this thread, as more people are getting experience with their units.
Anyone?

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 1 Aug 2006 2:09 pm

Did you set the Auto power off function? That was one of the first things I did. I think it's on page 20 in the manual.

That is handy if you accidentally leave it powered on using the batteries. I set mine for 5 minutes.

Another feature is you can have whatever preset come up as the default when you power on. I have my E9th (T1) set to come up when I power mine on.

Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 1 Aug 2006 2:26 pm

Yes, that's right. I was surprised that the auto shut-off feature is inactive, by default. I set it up, thinking that it starts counting down from the last time it was used, like a screen saver. Turns out it starts counting from the time the unit is turned on. In other words, setting it to two minutes guarantees that it will shut off in the middle of tuning something. After a second's thought I realized that counting down 'from last time it was used' is useless if it is always receiving signal.

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 1 Aug 2006 3:31 pm

The V-Sam has a power-on default setting as well. I wish I had the off-timer. that's a nice option. I already burned out a set of batteries at a gig.

See all the VS-II's for sale? Some pretty good deals going down. The Stroboflip must be all that and a bag of chips.

Dennis Wallis · Post by **Dennis Wallis** » 1 Aug 2006 8:41 pm

I like my VSII tuner (when it works). I just sent it back for repair for the SECOND time and for seemingly the same problem. The screen becomes garbled and there is no strobe "wheel". It was repaired back in November last year and I just sent off to be repaired again today. If there's a lemon in the bunch I get it every time.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 2 Aug 2006 3:22 am

One correction to the Peterson manual. It refers to the user memories as "P1", "P2", etc but they are actually "T1", "T2", etc. for the "Temper" memories. The "S1", "S2" (sweetened) memory reference is OK.

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 2 Aug 2006 2:43 pm

How are you guys dealing with the necessity of 2 different offsets for the same note within a temperament?

For example, the F# in the E9th tuning and the D in the C6th tuning?

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 2 Aug 2006 3:12 pm

Bob, I asked that question a few times also. Since the tuner is smart enough to recognize one octave from another why not have the ability to store different presets for different octaves of the same note? Of course you can do that by eating up more storage locations with the current design.

Well I got my Flip and the input was pretty much dead but the built in mic worked great. Hopefully my exchanged unit is in the mail. The Flip is the most impressive looking tuner package I've ever seen and I hope the new one works as well as my VS-II did.

Greg

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 3 Aug 2006 2:14 am

Bob to answer your question, I have some strings set into a separate memory. e.g. on the E9th tuning, I tune the open string F#'s to -2 cents but the 4th string E to F# pull is tuned to -12. Same way with the C6th tuning for the C strings - the 3rd and 7th C's are tuned to 0 but my 10th string (bass) C is tuned to -8 cents. I use user programmable "T1" memory for my E9th, "T2" for C6th and "T3" for others such as the F# that is tuned to 12 and for the C string that is tuned to -8. On my tunings there are 6 notes that are programmed into my T3 memory.

This was an issue in the VS-II since it only had 2 user memories. With the "different" strings, I had to just use the base tuning and manually adjust it for whatever offset was needed.

Don Sulesky · Post by **Don Sulesky** » 3 Aug 2006 2:54 am

Unlike Jack I reprogrammed the E9th presets to user bank "S1" not "T1" E's=0.0 (A=440) and changed the "C" note to -3.9 not the -27.6 that is in the PSG-0E9 preset. I don't know if it makes a difference between "S1" or "T1" except that "S1" is used to sweeten the tuning and I did notice it does raise the E's a bit.
I have found this to work very well for my ShoBud and it has never sounded so good as it does now. All my chords seems to blend well with no beats. I do not use any other offsets for my pedals or knee levers I only use the numbers as they are for my E9th.This may be due to the sweeten function in the "S1" bank.
I do though use banks "S2 & S3" for my offsets for the C6th necks set at C=0.0 (A=440).
I have my timer set at 10 minutes because I find that at 5 minutes it shuts off before I get to tune the 2nd neck if I'm doing all the open strings and pedals. The other nice advantage I find is the size is about 1/2 that of the VS-II and fits nicely in my seat.
Don

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 3 Aug 2006 3:34 am

I have not tried saving the tuning to another area yet but just having the tuner in my hands and being able to tune with it my guitar has never sounded so good. At practice last night I was amazed at how it sounded.

I use the C6th sweetened tuning but tweek my E9th manually at this time changing the cents as I go. Once I get the guitar set it should only take minimal tweeking later. More later.

Larry Behm

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 3 Aug 2006 4:56 am

Jack, I'd kind of figured your way would have to be the approach. I agree also with the need for more than C on the C6th, also the low F as opposed to the 6th pedal high F.

I've been comparing the Newman charts I have from about 5 years ago with the Peterson Newman presets. There are some differences.

The Stroboflip's really slick and quick; very nice piece of gear. I have some programming to do though. The almost-Newman preset gives a very nice result on the E9th imo, but I use a between ET & JI on the C6th.

I'm amazed at the number and variety of temperaments; ET, Pythagorean, 2 different meantones, just majors to name a few, plus fiddle, bass, guitar, etc.

Ideally it would be good to be able to do a complete job of tuning silently in many situations imo, but the Peterson's miles better than what I've been using.

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 3 Aug 2006 10:15 am

Anybody see a way to directly read your offset from a note referenced to 440?

For example I want to see what my cabinet drop is in cents as I read my E and depress the A,B pedals.

I see a way to "back" into it. If I go to the ET temperament, pick the E string, cage the strobe display by using the up, down buttons, I can get a cents offset from E referenced to 440.

Then get on the A, B pedals, re-cage and take the difference.

Is there an easier way?

Don Sulesky · Post by **Don Sulesky** » 3 Aug 2006 10:39 am

Bob
That's the way I've done it with both my Shobud and Emmons.

My Stroboflip tuning numbers can be found on my web page under the button TUNINGS. http://web.tampabay.rr.com/dsulesky/
Don[This message was edited by Don Sulesky on 04 August 2006 at 04:57 AM.]

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 4 Aug 2006 1:43 pm

Thanks Don. I just figured out more of a one-step way to do it, but just a variation on what's been said.

Some questions on programming the Stroboflip:
(1) Is there a way to verify the button pushing you've done, i.e., by reading it out instead of trail and error?
(2) Having entered your own tuning offsets, can you go back and tweak just one or two notes, or is it an all or nothing deal?

Thanks for any tips.
bk

Don Sulesky · Post by **Don Sulesky** » 5 Aug 2006 7:33 am

Bob
While in the edit mode you can tweak the user numbers as many times as you wish.
Don

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 5 Aug 2006 10:54 am

Thanks again Don.

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 8 Aug 2006 3:36 pm

Any more info from you guys that already have one ?? I have just ordered one from Carters.
They are sending me the Flip and Peterson are going to send me the new mount bracket when they are ready to go.[This message was edited by Paddy Long on 09 August 2006 at 04:19 PM.]

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 9 Aug 2006 2:14 pm

Just that I like it. So far I'm not a strobo-flip-flopper.

The mount-ons that fit a pedal leg are back-ordered when I called last week; still hasn't come yet.

Dennis, hope your VSII's back and Greg I hope you got your replacement flip.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 9 Aug 2006 2:39 pm

I have a VS II and I use it for steel, and it also works great when I do a bass gig. I'm a happy camper.

Dave Potter · Post by **Dave Potter** » 9 Aug 2006 4:15 pm

I can add experience with the Stroboflip that I haven't seen mentioned so far.

It's a ground thing. Out of the box, the wall wart is a three prong deal. The advice from Peterson was to get rid of the grounding pin on the wall wart.

This worked to get rid of most of the unwanted noise in my signal chain, but, I've already ordered an a/b/y box to use to isolate the tuner from the signal chain to totally eliminate the noise.

My experience with this tuner so far is that it does not provide the "total bypass" capability that the Strobostomp has. [This message was edited by Dave Potter on 09 August 2006 at 05:16 PM.]

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 9 Aug 2006 4:28 pm

Dave that is part of why I went with an A/B box , more isolation.

Larry Behm