BIAB question...

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 4 Oct 2003 6:35 am

I've forgotten how to silence a particular instrument for a single bar. There's something you put after the chord name, but I sure can't remember what it is...
HALP!
Thx,
jc

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 4 Oct 2003 6:47 am

Sorry about the misread. Put a dot and a letter after the chord for all instruments you want left in (B for bass, or D for drums, etc,) All letters not included will be silenced.[This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 04 October 2003 at 10:38 AM.]

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 4 Oct 2003 7:41 am

E,
So now you're teaching me about BIAB?

Well, it's about time!

OK, thanks; that works great for regular comping, but how about when you want the chord sustained and you already have to put in 3 dots (such as G...)? Adding a 4th dot doesn't seem to work, nor does putting one dot before the instruments and then 3 dots after the instruments. Any ideas?

Thanks, kids,
jc

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 4 Oct 2003 7:51 am

I don’t understand exactly what you’re trying to do but I recently wrote a song requiring a band sustain with drums continuing its normal pattern. For that I put a chord, three dots and a D.

"but how about when you want the chord sustained and you already have to put in 3 dots (such as G...)?"

Therein lies the confusion.[This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 04 October 2003 at 10:47 AM.]

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 4 Oct 2003 10:22 am

Yah, I see the cornfusion...

What I want to do is to specify WHICH instruments hit the chord once and hold it. I don't want ANY of them to "continue their normal pattern". Specifically, I'm at the end of the song, and I want the whole band, EXCEPT for the strings, to hit the final chord once with a bird's eye over it. So I'm looking for a way to pull the strings out of just that chord. Is my predicament getting any clearer yet?

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 4 Oct 2003 10:29 am

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 4 Oct 2003 10:47 am

Would you mind telling me why you want to duck the strings?

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 4 Oct 2003 1:04 pm

Mostly because BIAB plays every instrument too damn loud on a final, held chord, and it's especially irritating with LOUD strings. Since I don't seem to be able to reduce their volume for just that one bar (can I?), the better solution is to kick them out altogether.

Oh, I know I can export the file to Power Tracks and tweak it over there, but I'm hoping to be able to do this all in BIAB.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 4 Oct 2003 1:16 pm

Can you copy the string part into the melody part? And then mute the strings and edit the melody ending?
You could then change styles without losing the strings information.

(I always export a couple of different Midi versions and import them into Sonar. Then I have full control by editing the song.)

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Russ Wever · Post by **Russ Wever** » 4 Oct 2003 1:44 pm

Good suggestion, Peter - Probably fewer 'total clicks'than the 'work-around' I was thinking, which is: Make a copy of whatever style you're using, then open that copy in BIAB's 'stylemaker', edit the strings out (or just set their velocity-values to zero), then save this new 'stringless' style. Finally, highlite the measure where the fermata is, go to 'Edit', then 'Settings for Current Bar' and tell BIAB to change to the 'stringless' style-copy you've just made.
Actually, Jim, if it's the level of the final, held chord, ya can go into the 'stylemaker; and 'once-and-for-all' make the level adjustments to suit that particular pattern in said style, and over-write the styles previous settings, so you'll have it 'permanently' resolved.

~Russ[This message was edited by Russ Wever on 04 October 2003 at 02:46 PM.]

Jim Baron · Post by **Jim Baron** » 4 Oct 2003 6:26 pm

WE have been asking for this feature to control the volume on hold chords, it is on the wish list and maybe we see it in next version.
Here are a couple more things you can do. Do a right click on the hold chord, select "bar settings", and use the "change styles at current bar" to a style that is not quite so loud. For example, I sometimes use "crying" style to end a "C-balad" style song, not so loud.
You can also use the above dialog box to get into change patch settings, and select a patch that is not so loud, I sometimes use patch 55 "synth voice" to quiet whatever instrument is offending me.
One thing to remember, while your doing this, depending on your computer and operating system your using, you need to hit "play" to make sure the program is "refershing" itself, so the changes you are making will be heard. Jim

Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 4 Oct 2003 6:43 pm

You heard it from the Professor himself. He's been in this thing a good ten years and he knows every fiber in it.

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 4 Oct 2003 7:02 pm

Thanks, guys. All great suggestions!
jc

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 5 Oct 2003 5:51 am

Sorry to get back so late but I had to dart off to the NTSGA steel show yesterday.
I asked that particular question because I had the feeling the string volume thing may have been the problem.
The quickest fix I use is to add three dots and an S to the final chord. Whatever length of sustain I need after that is determined by slowing the bar down. Otherwise if you allow it to jump to another bar, the volume will shift to a lower level and then gradually come back to where it was. [This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 05 October 2003 at 07:52 AM.]

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 5 Oct 2003 6:35 am

Like Peter (and others, I'm sure) I always export one or more BIAB versions to MIDI files, then combine and edit in SONAR. You get EXACTLY what you want without trying to fool BIAB to give it to you. Then, you can store your finished rhythm tracks and play them back with any audio program that supports MIDI (like WinAmp). Works much better for me than fretting over the clunky BIAB user interface. This program looks like something from the 80's to me. They really need to update their user interface to skip a couple of decades and get into the 21st century.

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 10 Oct 2003 9:18 pm

Jim,
Click on the notation window (icon with one note) next to the two notes on a green background. When you get to the notation page, click the little icon with an N and that will take you to a page that allows you to enter melody notes.
Above the staff are the letters BDPGSMS. Clicking on the inside S brings the string page up with its notation.
Use your mouse to go to the end of the song, or wherever the problem is. Right click on one of the notes and a screen will pop up with Channel, Time, Note, Velocity, and Duration settings.
Lower the Volocity on each note until you have the volume you want, click OK, and you’re home free.
Now, aren't you glad you got me a BIAB to play with.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 10 Oct 2003 11:18 pm

Now, aren't you glad you got me a BIAB to play with.

I know I am!!

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Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 11 Oct 2003 4:18 am

Top of the morning to you, Herb.
I should add that I’m still using the chord symbol followed by three dots and an S. (F…s) I’ve tried both with and without the S and “with” seems to be the way to go but I'd like to figure a way to do it without just for the heck of it.

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 11 Oct 2003 4:30 am

I found another way to aid the cause by right clicking on the chord and left clicking on “Preferences.” That opens a window with “Boost velocity of pushes by,” “Boost shots by,” and “Boost holds by” at the top left corner. My Boost hold setting was at 5 and I set it to zero. [This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 11 October 2003 at 02:10 PM.]

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 11 Oct 2003 4:40 am

Ditto[This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 11 October 2003 at 06:46 AM.]

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 11 Oct 2003 9:27 am

Ah-SO! I will try these things next time I'm in there. Muchas gracias, amigos.
jc