In the gutter ?

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 30 Jun 2006 12:11 am

To set the the record straight,I'm not a prude,or goody two shoes,I have spent the last 50 years of my life playing in bars,honky tonks,and skull orchards.But in the last few months I have noticed an increase in sexual explicit vidios on GAC[Great American Crap],Saw one tonight by a well known artist[that has put out some great music in the past,one a great patriotic song]But this vidio does not belong in the gutter,but in a cess pool.Is this what it takes today to sell this &%#@ the industry calls country [MU-SICK].If this trend keeps going before long the deviates and perverts can cancel their porn sites and just watch GAC.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 30 Jun 2006 1:17 am

Charles, the "SKIN" video's have been out for a while now and certainly they are getting more revealing.

It's not just GAC, it's TV in general, every show is about the "Babe"...

When Shania revealed her belly button the planet stood still and then started off again with an all new reference.

I do find it amazingly odd that GAC has a family video hour, which to me imply's..

the others are NOT family video's ?

Me, I m not offended , it always comes back to the music for me. Some I like and some I like "NOT"...

I would much rather look at Miranda Lambert than Kenny Chesney given a choice...

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 30 Jun 2006 5:28 am

I haven't gotten to watch much TV in the past year. Two nites ago I finally got a chance to sample some midweek network fare. "Racy" doesn't even begin to describe my impression.
Man, if you have kids, cancel the cable... [This message was edited by Ray Minich on 30 June 2006 at 06:28 AM.]

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 30 Jun 2006 9:08 am

I agree with you Charles. Its not about the music anymore. Shania Twain proved that. Thats why I listen to XM Satellite Radio. The video stuff is garbage. Give me Red Stegall.

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 30 Jun 2006 4:02 pm

Its not about the music anymore.

It never was, it's about identity. The music was the medium for delivery.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 30 Jun 2006 4:16 pm

Chas,I can remember[maybe I'm telling my age]when it was ALL about the music,sadly it's not that way anymore.

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 1 Jul 2006 1:49 am

I'd never listen to anything sung by a half naked sireen.

Course I'd have to peek to make sure.

EJL

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 1 Jul 2006 8:58 pm

Charles, I didn't mean to imply that for the musicians, myself included, that it wasn't about the music. Because it sure wasn't about the money. What I was referring to was how music, and in particular pop culture is marketed, and that would include the video, that you mentioned above.

I can't honestly say that I've watched a lot of videos, since I don't own a tv, but if I'm stuck in a hotel, I'll surf the channels. Regardless, it's my understanding that sex, sells products, and like everything else, if it's not getting your attention, then it gets "bumped up" to another level.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 1 Jul 2006 9:22 pm

They though Elle Mae Clampett was beyond the pale back when.

The Dukes of Hazzard, lowered the bar some more.
Without the intelegence of humor,
or good bluegrass,(no offence Jay Dee)
that Beverly Hillbillies had.

Shania's navel was a non issue relatively.
Jessica ASimpson in D of H, set a new level shall we say.

Sex sells, nothing new about that.
The older people deplore that,
nothing new here either.

From Theda Bara to Jessica Simpson...
what REALLY has changed, except the coming and going of the Hayes Office.

Is it music, no it's marketing,
and a lotta someones are buying
or they wouldn't sell it.

Eric hows about them Sireeens in "O'Brother"!
And they sure could sing nice too, jess wha ya expect ina sireen![This message was edited by David L. Donald on 01 July 2006 at 10:25 PM.]

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 2 Jul 2006 10:24 am

The song I was referring to with the rauncey vidio,was the opening song on the NOT SO GRAND OPRY ANYMORE last night.Oh well.You are right SEX sells,Guess I'm just an old anthropoid I can remember seeing ads for toothbrushs,autos,clothes,tv's,over the counter medications,even guitars in music mags,with no sexual overtones,but no more,But I guess if it was'nt for sex I would'nt be here to b--ch about every thing,so thanks Mom and Dad.

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 2 Jul 2006 9:24 pm

Everything changes, and it usually appears to be, for the worse. I can remember 23-cent a gallon gas, 5-cent candy bars and I quit smoking when cigaretts were 45-cents a pack. I'd like to think that there was an innocence back in the '50s and '60s and that things weren't as complicated as they seem to be now, but, at least for me, iI think it was more about ignorance and naivete.

Crest toothpaste had hexachlorophane, mom used to put mercurochrome on open cuts, then there was the new pipe, made from PVC. The water main that supplied the street, where my mother and sister lived, had rusted out, so it was replaced with this new, "miracle" product. Everyone who lived on the street died of cancer. Maybe there was a connection?

I can appreciate that your sensibilities were disturbed. For me, sexual overtones don't seem so bad. --cs

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 3 Jul 2006 5:39 am

I loved the simplicity and innocence of the times until I, too, discovered it my own innocence.
I loved Leave it to Beaver until I discovered a society in denial.

What is regarded as shocking occupies the function of introducing new mores into society. The increase in public profanity desensitizes the shock; people begin to accept such words have no inherent meaning.
Nudity on TV similarly moves a society on to a realization that nudity in inself has no inherent meaning, it's just human.

However, it does not impel me to watch music videos, which leave me to wonder what real talent is being expressed.

Invariably, the older generation is left behind in this evolution of expression, much to our bewilderment.
Might as well get used to it.

Gordy Hall · Post by **Gordy Hall** » 3 Jul 2006 12:06 pm

I find it ironic that so many stations have turned their backs on the Dixie Chicks for speaking what they believe. Yet somehow those same stations are happy to show the soft porn and barely country seen in the videos described above.

The Dixie Chicks are all true musicians to whom the music comes first, and the 'sex' they exhibit is way down the list of their priorities. Go figure the logic.

Smiley Roberts · Post by **Smiley Roberts** » 3 Jul 2006 12:48 pm

...the Dixie Chicks for speaking what they believe.

UH-OH!! Here come that padlock!

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Henry Nagle · Post by **Henry Nagle** » 3 Jul 2006 6:55 pm

"Nudity on TV similarly moves a society on to a realization that nudity in inself has no inherent meaning, it's just human."

Nudity may or may not have any intended meaning, but the way it's displayed in music videos certainly has an effect on veiwers. Particularly children. I don't believe that it's healthy for kids to learn about sexuality from television. It's all about titilation and is not very realistic (at least not in my experience

) I think it encourages kids to be sexually active at a younger age.

Edit... By the way, I'm not a prude or a censor. I just wish that some people considered more seriously what their kids pick up from media.

I am glad that you've grown comfortable with nudity, Charlie

.[This message was edited by Henry Nagle on 03 July 2006 at 09:13 PM.]

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 3 Jul 2006 8:18 pm

I find it ironic that so many stations have turned their backs on the Dixie Chicks for speaking what they believe. Yet somehow those same stations are happy to show the soft porn and barely country seen in the videos described above.

As always, "follow the money". If that's what their audience wants, that's where the money is....

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 4 Jul 2006 4:05 am

Have to agree with you in principle, Henry.
What we're presented with is tittilation, as regards to sex, cars, 'cribs', and other lifestyle things.
I suppose I'm pointing to the evolution of media content, not condoning it.

Charles Curtis · Post by **Charles Curtis** » 4 Jul 2006 9:13 am

I find it disheartening that what they get some of these young people to do sometimes for whatever motivation; money, attention, etc. Frankly, what I like is good music and happy well dressed performers doing a professional job.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 4 Jul 2006 1:42 pm

Charles Curtis,I agree,but for a VERY few exceptions,such as when they have some of the old artist,or a bluegrass band on the opry will you see this. Not all but MOST of the new artist look and actlike rejects from an outlaw biker gang.

HowardR · Post by **HowardR** » 5 Jul 2006 1:29 pm

Has anyone seen European TV?.....where American TV is today, European TV was 20 years ago.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 6 Jul 2006 7:54 pm

Kids never needed any external stimulous to want sex.
The moment the hormones kick in they's at it.

The only difference is parental training
and logic imbude into the young to ;
think before you "hook-up".

When society is totally repressed kids still do it.
Even as in super strict Ireland in the era of The Magdalene Laundry.

In todays much more open society,
many kids feel less presure actually.
because it isn't so forbidden,
and so isn't a rebelion thing.

At the same time they also know more of
the risks and saftey issues involved.

They know more and see more on the tube,
and general media,
so when they see each other somewhat sexily dressed,
it isn't nearly as titilating as what's on the tube.

Back then a glimpse of ankle made men crazed,
now it's just a day at the beach; no hasle.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 07 July 2006 at 12:00 AM.]

Alvin Blaine · Post by **Alvin Blaine** » 6 Jul 2006 10:41 pm

I can't believe that people out there are using sexual images to sell music.
That would have never happened 40 or 50 years ago.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 7 Jul 2006 8:54 am

Oh man the Whipped Cream, made an impression
on a young me at the time.
It also contributed to me liking spanish and jazzier musics.

But OHH that babe on the cover!
Funny I never went out
and ruined the fabric of society
after ogling this lass.

Alvin Blaine · Post by **Alvin Blaine** » 7 Jul 2006 10:22 am

That album cover may be the reason that I own about eight other "Tijuana Brass" LP's and about the same number of "Baja Marimba Band" albums.

So I guess sexual images do help sell music, it worked on me when I was just a teen.

Bob Martin · Post by **Bob Martin** » 7 Jul 2006 10:41 am

I'm still trying to imagine what that purdy little gal pointing her gun looks like today? That'll put it in perspective huh?