Singing stars and pitch

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 18 Nov 2003 1:11 pm

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Glenn Austin · Post by **Glenn Austin** » 18 Nov 2003 1:37 pm

I can really hear pitch correction on Terri Clark, Jo Dee Messina and Tim McGraw. It's not that the notes are too perfect, it's how they get from one note to another in an instantaneous way. Pavarotti can't even sing like that.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 18 Nov 2003 2:41 pm

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Larry Robbins · Post by **Larry Robbins** » 18 Nov 2003 4:02 pm

Hey....where did you get that clip of me singing?

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Smiley Roberts · Post by **Smiley Roberts** » 18 Nov 2003 4:13 pm

I've heard that,now,you can buy a microphone,w/ "pitch-correcter" built right into it. No external rack-mount needed.

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Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 18 Nov 2003 4:27 pm

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Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 18 Nov 2003 4:32 pm

You guys are right no doubt.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 18 Nov 2003 4:47 pm

In the engineer's (and producer's) desire for (artifical) perfection, I imagine it's done with quite a few artists, both on recordings, and in live performances. Problem is..."perfection" becomes pretty boring pretty fast, especially when you know you're listening to a phoney.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 18 Nov 2003 4:50 pm

Donny,
I'm sure your right.

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 18 Nov 2003 5:31 pm

There hasn't been any current country music on the radio in the NYC for a year or 2 but as of a couple years ago it sounded like allmost everything was being run through the Antares McSinger Machine. I swear I could hear it on a bunch of the single note instruments. It sounded crazy to me. I thought over compression sounded crappy but the abuse of the Antares really screws music up.

One thing I was wondering is how the hell are you supposed to play in tune on the steel along to a track that they are going to "correct" everybody else on after you leave ?

Bob

John McGann · Post by **John McGann** » 18 Nov 2003 6:34 pm

Belly Button: Remember musicianship?
Star Singer: Wha?
Belly Button: Before drum programming, MTV, CMTV, AutoTune, Synths...you know, hard hours in the practice room? The joy of actually achieving something?
Star: I work out during those hours! You must be joking!
Belly Button: Give me a break! You suck, and you are rich and famous!
Star: C'MERE, YOU!

(sound of toilet flush)

Belly Button, last heard while swirling down the drain: WHAT A WORLD! WHAT A WORLD!

Jay Fagerlie · Post by **Jay Fagerlie** » 18 Nov 2003 7:20 pm

Jim Phelps, is that mp3 clip really enriquei?
That is the most horrific thing I've ever heard, and I've recorded myself in the shower singing, so I KNOW bad....seriously, that is some bad stuff. I have also noticed quite a few "Antares" artifacts of the so-called 'singers' topping the charts. Sad, very sad. It's no wonder I can't listen to commercial radio any more.
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Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 18 Nov 2003 7:30 pm

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Michael Johnstone · Post by **Michael Johnstone** » 19 Nov 2003 12:45 am

There was a tape going around the studios in L.A.(and everywhere else I guess)of Linda McCartney's pre-Antares vocal monitor feed during a late 70s - early 80s Wings gig.It was ghastly. Poor Linda - a lovely lady but she couldn't carry a tune in a bucket.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 19 Nov 2003 1:41 am

Never heard one session without something
left or or right of center. It just don't happen.
The producers job is just to minimize or hide the less than perfect things and make it have life.

Most of our favorite albums are filled with mini clams, but the ones that stay are coupled to some thing wonderful and often something else makes it work.

Each player knows when he wanted something else to come out on notes 23 and 74.5.
But lives with what was played because notes 20-22, 24-30 and 74, 75-84 were lovely.

Some producers go that extra centimeter to perfection, often to little positive effect because the life is drained from the performance by repetition.

Doing something too long and too many times in the studio I call " Enterinmg The Land Of Diminishing Returns"[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 19 November 2003 at 01:43 AM.]

Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 19 Nov 2003 7:16 am

Beyond intonation, my pet peave is singers who use such wide vibrato that pitch becomes a ballpark measurement. My personal biggest offenders: Joan Baez & Buffy Saint Marie. Yow! Who let the dogs out!?

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 19 Nov 2003 12:22 pm

This is from another thread, but because of the topic I thought it merits recycling: Would pitch-control help this?

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 19 Nov 2003 2:13 pm

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Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 19 Nov 2003 2:48 pm

I love this one:

you guys !

Bob

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 19 Nov 2003 4:36 pm

Me too Bob!

ray qualls · Post by **ray qualls** » 19 Nov 2003 4:45 pm

Gene, as Joe Wright has said, I laughed so hard that tears rolled down my leg! Very funny and thanks for making my day.

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Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 19 Nov 2003 5:15 pm

O holy cow!

Leon Roberts · Post by **Leon Roberts** » 19 Nov 2003 6:58 pm

Bob, It took quite a while for me to download the clip. I wonder if good singing would load faster?
Leon

Don Walters · Post by **Don Walters** » 19 Nov 2003 7:41 pm

ROFLMAO !!

And it's recorded at 96 bits/sec for quality sound! Ha!!!

Bill Llewellyn · Post by **Bill Llewellyn** » 19 Nov 2003 7:52 pm

How dangerous would it be to ask whether, on occasion (extremely RARE occasion, of course), established session steelers need to have a note or two pitch corrected?

I am now running for cover.

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