Joaquin Murphy recordings

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 7 Apr 2003 4:35 pm

Hey youse guys
You wanna learn something or what?? You too
Donald,,tune in to swingin west.And I didnt have a facelift,,Roy did not me. He's as old
as the Oklahoma Hills where Gene Jones was born.

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I'm from Oklahoma too.Oh I'm sorry Paul,,yes
Freddy Tavares did all of those Disney tracks. Paul...are you from Oklahoma??

Is anyone out there?? I think so,,I can hear heavy breathing.[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 07 April 2003 at 05:39 PM.]

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 7 Apr 2003 5:08 pm

Jody....I'm old enough that I even have a copy of Spade's "Swinging The Devils Dream"!

(by the way, it sounds like Boggs instead of Joaquin)..

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 7 Apr 2003 7:05 pm

Gene
It is Noel on that recording,,also on Spadella. Can you not hear that Fender sound?

There were two of the best Noel & JM and Les
Anderson "Carrottop was a great steel player with Cooley as well.

Gene check out Mike's show this Friday night
you'll like it. www.swinginwest.com tell Mike
I sent ya

regards home for me.. say Hi to Mee Too.[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 07 April 2003 at 08:07 PM.]

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 7 Apr 2003 7:21 pm

There were at least 3 different cuts of Devil's Dream that I know of. Two by Spade and one by the Caravan. I believe Murph was on the first by Spade, also the transcription by the Caravan, then Noel on the later one on RCA.

The Caravan cut a lot of broadcast transcriptions of tunes associated with Spade, since the arrangements were written by Pedro DePaul, who took them into the Caravan with him.

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Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 8 Apr 2003 2:28 am

My version of Dream is from a "Club of Spade" compilation album....some cuts are apparently from radio transcriptions.

Jody, thanks for reminding me about the radio show...I had it on my "Favorites" list but lost it when I changed computers. www.genejones.com

Bob Stone · Post by **Bob Stone** » 8 Apr 2003 5:18 am

Thanks everybody.

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 8 Apr 2003 11:57 am

Gene
You are correct. The original Columbia recording of Devils Dream was recorded on Columbia records and there is no steel on that 78 speed I have.

There is however a"Swingin The Devils Dream"
with Noel on steel guitar.

Noel was on the RCA version as well.

I dont recall Joaquin being on any recording
of Devils dream with the Cooley orchestra.

I stayed up half the night looking and listening to old original Cooley recordings.
there was no steel as Herb suggested,other than Noel Boggs.

Cooley did some Decca recordings way back,perhaps that has Joaquin on steel,I dont
really know. I'm not as old as Herb Steiner and not as smart

What difference does it make,,Joaquin was GREAT on everything he ever recorded. edited to listen again,,nope
no steel.I listened over and over.No Steel guitar.If anyone has it,would you send me a tape and I will pay for your time and postage
I would like to have it for my collection.
Plus the cost of the cassette.

Edited..I took the liberty of removing my PO BOX address from this thread.

I was called by the postmaster here in town who informed me that a line of people were
at the Post Office banging on my box.

It dont pay to be popular..By box meaning PO
Box that is to clarify my comment.

Thanks again Herbster.

Herb Steiner kept me up all night

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Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 8 Apr 2003 12:40 pm

Okay, here's what I have on "Devil's Dream" by Spade, as well as by the Western Caravan.

The first cut is "Devil's Dream" by Cal Shrum, with Spade as the featured soloist. There's also an acoustic guitar solo, probably by Gene Haas. This is on a CD entitled "Spade Cooley 1941-1947" on Country Routes.

Next is a live radio broadcast from the Riverside Rancho of "Swingin' the DD" with Joaquin and George Bamby on accordion, when Pedro was in the army. This is on a Country Routes CD entitled "Spade Cooley and His Western Dance Gang Radio Broadcasts 1945."

Then I have a radio transcription of "Swingin'" of Spade and the Western Dance Gang, with Joaquin on steel definitely, from a CD entitled "Shame on You" on the Bloodshot label.

Then there's the Columbia cut available on the "Spadella" CD that has Noel definitely on steel, so that was cut post-1946 after Joaquin had gone to the Plainsmen and the rest of the band split with Tex.

I also have a Standard Radio Transcription by the Western Caravan of "Swingin' DD" with Joaquin, so this was probably 1947 or later.

Then there's yet another version I have, either on RCA or a Standard Radio Transcription, of Spade from either the very late 40's or early 1950's with his big band and again, Noel Boggs playing a different solo than he did on the Columbia recording. This is on an LP album entitled "The Best of Spade Cooley's Transcribed Radio Shows" on the NINA label

But interestingly enough, I don't have a recording of "Swingin' DD" that doesn't have steel, except the original one with Cal Shrum's Rhythm Rangers.

HOWEVER, I just bought a Club of Spade LP on eBay that might have the cut without any steel that Gene mentioned. I will keep ya'll posted.

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Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 8 Apr 2003 1:14 pm

Good Herb
You have my address. Please send it and I'll send an 8x10 of myself when I was in Grammar
school

No charge for Poster size.

I'll pay for the cassette and the postage.
Im going to sleep now.
Thanks zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 9 Apr 2003 4:22 pm

Thanks to Herb,I found what Herb posted. And
Herb was right on.

Only goes to show you that the older you get
doesn't make one smarter.I did lose sleep though...but I really thought?? Oh Well.

Thank you Herb.You certainly are a Cooley fan

Thanks my man.

Jody

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 11 Apr 2003 4:17 am

You too Donald,,tune in to swingin west.

I wish I could, but this is from 3am till 6 am.... at least where I is!

"Carver", I'm David...Not Mr. David. It's commonly confused for some reason been like that all my life. Even had a 8th grade teacher rewrite my name in his lesson plan, thinking for 3 months, I was Donny Ben David. No matter what i said, LOL!. What a nitwit.

I finally walked out and he chased me to the headmaster's office where he said "Donny Ben David get back in my classrooom right now." The HM knew my real name... and promptly bumped me to a higher level english class. And then had the teacher apologise to me in front of the old class.

Is anyone out there?? I think so,,I can hear heavy breathing.

No, Jody that's just us geezers a wheezin'!

I would love to have a cassette of some classic W.swing stuff, there is little avalable here. I will gladly pay for a cool compliation. With a speacial emphasis on the best steel lines from the era.

With some of you cat's actually knowing the original players... or being them,
I would be foolish not to plumb this resource. I am sure Crowbear would love to have a copy too, which I will do for him, if someone sends me something.

Also if some one does a DAT tape from original 78's of hard to find stuff not generally found on the compilation CD's I will clean it up best I can with my system and send you a CD.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 15 Apr 2003 1:44 pm

Gene
The Devil's Dream that's on the Club of Spade album with Blonde Fiddle Blues, Three Way Boogie, etc., is the cut from Cal Shrum's Rhythm Rangers, probably with Gene Haas on acoustic lead guitar, possibly Smokey Rogers.

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Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 15 Apr 2003 2:49 pm

Thanks Herb....the cuts you mentioned are not on my album....according to the liner, there was more than one of the "Club of Spade" albumns released, but I only have one of them....#00101, which is listed as the "first" of the series.

Someone above asked about the accordian player on the Cooley albums? I couldn't find any credits but it sounds like Eddie Carver, the accordianist and musical arranger who was on many albums of that era, i.e., Jimmy Wakely, Noel Boggs, etc. www.genejones.com [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 15 April 2003 at 03:52 PM.]

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 15 Apr 2003 6:14 pm

Here's what I know about Spade's accordionists. The original accordionist and main arranger from 1942 through 1946 was Larry DePaul. He was a conservatory-trained musician whose main instruments were violin and trombone. Along with Cactus Soldi and Smokey Rogers, he worked in the midwest and was hired by Texas Jim Lewis and came out to LA in 1941. DePaul was given the nickname Pedro by Ginger Snow, the wife of fiddler Cactus Soldi, but he also was called "Yi-Yi" back in 1942. It was then he started writing arrangements for Spade's band. He went into the army in 1944 and was replaced by George Bamby. Pedro came back in January 1946 but stayed only a short time before joining his old friends Smokey and Cactus in the Western Caravan. Pedro stayed with the Caravan after Smokey took over the band and moved to San Diego, and taught music there for years. He retired to Spokane WA, and passed away in 1999, a month or two before Joaquin.

Bamby left Cooley upon Pedro's return from the army and joined the Plainsmen. While Joaquin was in and out of the group, Bamby was a principal of the Plainsmen along with Andy Parker, Charlie Morgan, and Hank Caldwell. Also in the Plainsmen was the incredible violinist Harry Sims (Simowitz), who played in the Chicago Symphony but came to LA to play jazz and joined the western group.

I don't know much more about what George Bamby did after the Plainsmen, except that he also worked with Foy Willing and the Riders of the Purple Sage, as well as the Sons of the Pioneers. He passed away in LA in the early 1990's. Bamby had a similar style to Pedro's, but IMHO played with a greater sense of humor and craziness. He's the amazing accordionist on the Plainsmen's classics "Sweet GA Brown" and "Honeysuckle Rose."

In the early 1950's, Milton DeLugg did some work with Spade's orchestra. Other accordionists who probably worked with Spade were Bud Sievert, Eddie Carver, and Billy Liebert.

I would say that Jason Odd probably has more information than I do about the early-to-mid 50's accordionistas in LA.

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Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 16 Apr 2003 2:53 am

Thanks for this info, Herb! When I first heard recordings by the Cooley band two things stood out:

1. Joaquin was astounding.
2. The accordion playing was surpsrisingly swinging

Larry & Paul were great musicians. Roll over Lawrence Welk![This message was edited by Andy Volk on 16 April 2003 at 03:53 AM.]

Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 16 Apr 2003 2:56 am

Thanks for this info, Herb! One I first heard recordings by the Cooley band two things stood out:

1. Joaquin was astounding.
2. The accordion playing was surpsrisingly swinging

Larry & Paul were great musicians. Roll over Lawrence Welk!

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 16 Apr 2003 7:05 am

some Spade related links via this page: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rockin.paul/Spade%20Cooley.htm

There's a Cooley bio on the way, should be out some time this year.